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Posted 01/28/2016   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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lithograving's surely non-coincidental illustration of the Danish 'Flygtening' stamps three or four posts above this.


Yes Ian when I scanned those stamps the current refugee
crisis was on my mind not only in Europe but also
here in Canada where there are daily articles in the
newspaper about the 25,000 Syrian refugees getting
settled here.

Front page article in the Toronto Star today, headed
"Compared To There, This Is Heaven" writes about
how 500 Syrians are coping staying at the
Toronto Plaza Hotel.


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Posted 01/28/2016   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 65170 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lithograving: It is probably true to say that the use of Kodatrace, or any other kind of drawing technique, could be - and is/was - able to be undertaken by a "pure" designer. The use of an engraver to do the drawing however would ensure that the line work was undertaken in a sympathetic manner, i.e. the result would most closely resemble traditional hand-engraving.

The whole subject of computerised 'engraving' is frightfully complex and less easy to comprehend than the traditional processes (at least to my feeble mind!).

Your kind words about my article are appreciated and at least a practising security engraver has fully verified the accuracy of the content. Yes, the similarity with gravure has not gone unnoticed! GLENN
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Posted 01/29/2016   05:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If a new technology appears it will be used. That has always been the case, right back to the Penny Black. All the scrollwork behind the Queens head on that stamp was done by an engraving machine.

I spent many years in the music industry and have seen a similar thing happen twice, once when transistors replaced valves and later when digital replaced analogue.

In the same way that an engraver might be the best person to handle the new technology, in the music industry it was the person who had the best ears who produced the best sound - no matter which way it was produced.

I built a large recording studio in the eighties all with discarded valve equipment and people raved about the sound we produced. Now I do everything on my computer and what cost a hundred thousand dollars to set up in the past can now be done in the bedroom on a pc.

I suspect that the attraction to many engravers would be the same as it is to me.

I now have an undo button

One slip when splicing a tape or engraving a stamp and hours of work could be lost. Not any more.

Strangely, a lot of recording studios are now re-introducing valve equipment again. They find it hard to define why they think the sound is better. I feel a bit the same about computer engraving. The lines are a bit too perfect to me, but then, I'm usually looking at them blown up on a 24 inch screen. At normal size, I doubt if I could tell the difference.
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Collecting postal history of WW2 in Italy, Chicago precancels and world-wide line engraved. http://www.engravedstamps.net
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Posted 01/29/2016   9:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Panama / Canal Zone - 1920

Printed by American Bank Note Co.

Vignette engraved by George Robert Lambert (London 1864 - Atlantic county, New Jersey, 1946)



Allegorical vignette : Mining and Manufacturing (1919)
Designed by Alonzo Earl Foringer. Engraved by George R. Lambert.
Used on Stock Certificates, Coupon & Registered Bonds, etc. printed by ABNCo.

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Costa Rica - 1941

Central American and Caribbean Football (Soccer) Championship

Printed by American Bank Note Co.



Vignette engraved by Joseph Keller (1903-1987)
Frame, Flags, engraved by Warrell Hauck (1912-1983)
Lettering & Numerals engraved by Charles H. Milks and Charles Kirstein
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Posted 01/30/2016   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjarmstrong47 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I first saw that Costa Rica stamp a while back, I thought the vignette was photogravure. It was only when I blew it up that I could see how good the engraving is. He has managed to even get the ball to look spherical by using different depths of line to create perspective. Superb and amazing!
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Posted 01/31/2016   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Wow , four engravers for one little stamp.
Amazing.

It appears that separate Vignette and/or lettering
engravers were used by British, Canadian & American
printing companies.

Was this widespread?

I don't know of any Austrian, Czechoslovakian, Danish,
Norwegian, Swedish printing entities sharing the work
in engraving one die.
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Posted 01/31/2016   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There have been a few posts here recently about computer
engraved stamps.

Check out my thread about the Austrian State Printer's
Etch Art which requires no engraver.

https://goscf.com/t/28830&whichpage=1

Perhaps this is the future of stamp engraving, that's
if postage stamps have any future at all.

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Posted 01/31/2016   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see a lot of engraved stamps, but I don't see A collection by engravers
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Posted 01/31/2016   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


As far as I can find out this stamp was created by
only one engraver........Jiri Svengsbir
and it was definitely not computer engraved.

Czechoslovakia 1966

Scott 1435

Spring by Vaclav Hollar

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Posted 01/31/2016   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I see a lot of engraved stamps, but I don't see A collection by engravers


What are you talking about?
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Posted 01/31/2016   7:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What are you talking about?


The title is collecting by engraver, I will expect to see some nice collection by engraver, like a Czeslaw Slania album ( actually I'm planing to make one)
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Posted 01/31/2016   7:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The title is collecting by engraver, I will expect to see some nice collection by engraver, like a Czes#322;aw S#322;ania album ( actually I'm planing to make one)


If you mean Czeslaw Slania then I suppose you haven't
looked through these pages.
I would estimate that more of his work has been shown on this
thread than any other engraver.
Actually I scanned and posted some of his Danish stamps
the other day on page 164 which granted was not his best stuff.
Slania was the master engraver but not all of his work
was a masterpiece.
There are lots of engravers who engraved superb stamps which
in many cases matched or even surpassed Slania and these
have also been shown on these pages.
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Posted 01/31/2016   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I means real album pages, not individual stamps a collection is a group of stamps not only 1 , I was expecting see things like this one

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/i...guage,E.html




what happen with my "Czeslaw Slania" , I go change it
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Posted 01/31/2016   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well area66 this thread has 165 pages stretching
back over 5 years with dozens of members posting.
Not all scans are of the same quality that's true and
there is no rhyme or reason in what country or what
engraver was pictured on any given page.

AnthonyUK did start an index https://goscf.com/t/9106&whichpage=47#178314 but it only encompassed
part of the entire thread.
So it's impossible to see which engravers and which stamps
have been shown.
For sure there has been duplication.
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