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Czechoslovakian 1919 Sc#44f

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Posted 05/05/2026   07:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Murasama to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I wanted to show you some stamps from the first Czechoslovakian issues of 1919, designed by Alfons Mucha. I was recently able to classify them using Scott's specialized catalog, which, in addition to the standard catalog, includes the different color shades. The surprise came with the stamp on the right, which appears to be a scare Carmine SC#44F, as you can see when comparing it to the one on the left, which I think is brick red…


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Posted 05/05/2026   07:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not seeing brick red or carmine…..
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Posted 05/05/2026   07:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you can only appreciate the difference by comparing; it's the common color problem with monitors.
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Edited by Murasama - 05/05/2026 07:49 am
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Posted 05/05/2026   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am surprised you think the one on the left is one colour but imply you know the one on the right is a specified colour.

What makes you state it appears to be the carmine printing?
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Edited by NSK - 05/05/2026 07:48 am
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Posted 05/05/2026   07:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anyway, it's also possible to solve the equation by elimination; 5 shades are possible: brick red, brown red, red, carmine, and vermillion (only exists in mint).
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Posted 05/05/2026   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My conclusion is basically based on elimination, comparing it with the reds from the previous issue and the 20h value which also falls within the red range... I rule out Brown Red due to the absence of a brown tone
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Posted 05/05/2026   08:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Anyway, it's also possible to solve the equation by elimination; 5 shades are possible: brick red, brown red, red, carmine, and vermillion (only exists in mint).


I am sorry. but that is utter nonsense.

This is a common error: I see five listed shades, I see five different colours. So, I have the five different shades. This is not how it works.

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Edited by NSK - 05/05/2026 08:10 am
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Posted 05/05/2026   08:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll share some photos I took quickly of different shades of red...



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Posted 05/05/2026   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an example of this elimination hubris

https://goscf.com/t/87366

You, really, need confirmation.
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Posted 05/05/2026   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell you anything about the color but these two stamps look different enough to me that they should have different catalog numbers. Or maybe it is just inking differences.

The white text on the left stamp is much thicker than the right stamp. The hearts on either side of the "15" are filled in on the left stamp and appear much lighter, almost white, on the right stamp. The printing of the left stamp appears coarser. And there are other differences.

I would recommend using a POFIS speciality catalog for Czechoslovakia.
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Posted 05/06/2026   04:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your input; it will greatly help me in my final decision. For now, I'll mark it as "very likely" (although I'm quite sure) while I wait for new examples or to get a POFIS (I've found some pages in websites, but it won't be easy to get one...). That said, these issues aren't really as simple as they initially seemed when I saw the Scott Standard. I see that there are studies that have delved deeply into the plates and small details.
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Edited by Murasama - 05/06/2026 04:06 am
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Posted 05/06/2026   07:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And I vote "very UNlikely".
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Posted 05/06/2026   07:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dear rogdcam, there's plenty of free space in my albums for all your discards stamps, please send them to me...
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Posted 05/06/2026   2:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't say "discard" anything. Just because a value is low(er) doesn't mean you throw the item in the trash. I said I doubt it is the higher value shade. When it comes to value, we see what we want (hope) to see. It is called confirmation bias.
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Posted 05/07/2026   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A new color comes into play, now in my opinion here they are from left to right: Brick red, Carmine, Brown red..




IA said red, carmín, brick red…
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Edited by Murasama - 05/07/2026 9:01 pm
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Posted 05/08/2026   12:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IA is the sound a donkey makes. (Placement of adjectives!)
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Edited by NSK - 05/08/2026 12:41 am
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