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Newfoundland : Random Notes.

 
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Posted 08/12/2010   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rod222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
1932

It is noted that quite a considerable proportion of Newfoundland internal mail carries a rubber stamp
cancellations—oval, oblong, etc., in different designs:—

POST OFFICE
Newfoundland
May 23 1932
Bell Island.

POSTAL TELEGRAPHS
May 17 1932
BURGEO NFLD.

and a similar one from COME BY CHANCE.

Whether these are provisional cancellations, or permanent, is doubtful, but most of the stamps are defaced at St.
John's (the capital), or obliterated with a "daub." This is merely mentioned because rubber cancelled stamps may be
regarded by some as not having performed postal service.
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Posted 08/13/2010   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DCottrell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dumb question -- why would a rubber stamp cancellation be counterindicative of postal use? Are not hand stamps rubber?

Also, I know Newfie stamps are frequently used to pay tax on documents, etc, as there are no fiscal stamps for this "country." Is this a non-postal use that might bear a rubber stamp?

I guess I don't understand the point of this article. I'm interested because Newfoundland is my 2nd favorite "dead" country to collect, after Canal Zone. (I like finite sets, so does my budget)
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Posted 08/13/2010   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No such thing as a dumb question.
The point of the article is covered in the last sentence.
Most cancellers are constructed in steel to promote
longevity.
Most rubber cancellers have a fiscal or provisional flavour
in most countries.


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Is this a non-postal use that might bear a rubber stamp?

Very possible, but I have not witnessed any.

I have seen crown circle cancels, machine, CDS,duplex,
punctured printers waste, but none of the cancels
of the original thread.


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Posted 08/13/2010   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


You can read and see the boxed cancels study at bna
here

http://bnatopics.org/hhlibrary/news...-03-w016.pdf

4Mb

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Posted 03/17/2017   01:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Arrived today from a penny auction,
amongst flotsam and jetsam worldwide.

Rather a handsome cover in my opinion.
Know very little about it.
I get the feeling, philatelically inspired
Mr. Frank F. Wills may have been an air cover collector?




Mr. Wills on cover in 1921 (Bnaps 2008)

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Posted 03/17/2017   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice covers, Rod. Reminds me of the need to go back and start reading the Newfoundland Study Group PDFs that I get from my BNAPS membership (if I can find them among thousands of e-mails currently on my system ?!?).

By the way, I'll add part of my personal philosophy, to your original post way back when: the only "dumb question" is the one that does not get asked.
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Posted 03/17/2017   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Steve,
yes go back and have a re-visit.
My opinion is, BNAPS is one of the greatest stores of knowledge on their particular discipline, on the internet.
A huge collaborative effort.

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Posted 03/17/2017   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
My opinion is, BNAPS is one of the greatest stores of knowledge on their particular discipline, on the internet.
A huge collaborative effort.


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Posted 08/20/2017   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


See how the designer has removed some of the original design, and etched in the curved tail of the Cod, so as to fit on the stamp..........

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Posted 08/25/2017   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222,

Nice cover--I only collect Newfoundland and highly endorse BNAPS for the Newfie newsletter.

You cover is not super valuable (perhaps $10 to $50US), but it has some unique characteristics. Obviously the block with both margins, and the Ottawa Bank Note Co.cachet/imprint does not appear that much. CBNC printed this last Airmail stamp for Newfoundland (and I believe none other), which first appeared June 1, 1943. Its engraved, with no watermark and is 12x12 perf (no other observed varieties). Yours is not early use but good time period. being registered also is solid attribute.

Frank Wills was one of about 55 known stamp dealers who had clients pay him to post stamps. Some would detract value (or turn up the nose) because of this, arguing that its not common or normal use and "philatelic". His client in California paid for all the extras, IMHO. I'm not a snob though I note the difference, because all covers are worthy

Thanks for sharing...more on your stamp image too later
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Posted 08/25/2017   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222,

On the "Cod" stamp--nice observation. Here is some information on this stamp:

A very early stamp of course--from 1865 to 1879, this was the first of the "First Cents" issue. This marked the end of Pence stamps and came about because in 1865 their currency went decimal. Unitrade/Scott # is 24 or 24 a (more on the difference later). NSSC (John Walsh numbering is #26 or 26a. First issued Nov 15, 1865 and the EKU on a cover is July 10, 1866. Its engraved, no watermark and 12 by 12 perf.

A great stamp you have (though not well centered, but still)! I've seen prices of $25 to $35 maybe.

The stamp has two main varieties related to the paper used: 24 came on white paper and not thin. literature suggests this was introduced in early 1871. the 24a variety was earlier and came on "thin pelure" paper. (you'd need an expert to verify, but the pelure is thin, yellowish and like onion skin. if you hold it at one corner and flick the other end, if it snaps back firmly, its not thin. if it sort of flimsly returns, then its probably pelure. The pelure is more valuable

There was also a rouletted version around late 1879 and is more valuable still.

Yours is mint or unused of course and worth more. Even rarer would be on a cover (only 27 of the pelure are known to exist; 51 of the white; 11 of the roulette).

Thanks for sharing and hope this is not TMI.
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Posted 08/25/2017   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of my covers, with #24 on it. Found it at a trade show about 5 years ago..
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Posted 08/25/2017   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Tommy.
Thank you for in depth information...super.
Shall add your comments to my Album Page and cover.
You are obviously a keen student of Newfoundland.


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On the "Cod" stamp--nice observation.


I knew of it from my library resources, but never seen the stamp up close prior.

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Posted 09/07/2017   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice page to include about the curvature. What book is that from?
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Posted 09/07/2017   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

From memory..."Postage Stamps in the making" John Easton.
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