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Ecuador Stamp Identification Question

 
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Posted 08/13/2010   02:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add marcbkk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have seen many like this type with coat of arms in Scott, but this one I can't seem to locate. Any ideas on Scott number for this one?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Marc

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Posted 08/13/2010   02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Design type A1. You have the 1/2 real stamp, so it is Ecuador #2 (or some minor variety thereof).
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Posted 08/13/2010   02:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, did not realize it is that old. So it may be worth $10-$15, depending. Thanks. The Scott photo of the A1 type in yellow is barely even recognizable. Thanks.
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Posted 08/13/2010   03:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The Scott photo of the A1 type in yellow is barely even recognizable.

Agreed. It's hard to see the older yellow stamps in detail in the Scott color catalogs. I usually have to crank up the magnification to 200%-400% for that color stamp to see the stamp clearly.
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Posted 08/13/2010   03:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The problem is the with the digital Scott catalogs when you start enlarging the picture degrades more and more since they are such low-res to begin with that if there is just a bit of detail variation between types and issues then when you enlarge on the screen you can't see the subtle differences anymore in those low quality Scott pics. Most of the time it is OK. It is just when you start getting those subtle differences when it becomes trickier. :)
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Posted 08/13/2010   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Again, agreed. The trick is to look for specific features. In this case, it would be the matching set of rectangular squiggles at the sides. Or alternatively, whether the background lines are horizontal or vertical.

I wasn't sure if the bottom panel would always be colored or would sometimes be white, so I didn't rely on that.
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Posted 08/13/2010   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be fun to try and figure out exactly which variety this stamp is. My father just told me that it is the "most valuable" stamp he bought as a child when he was about 11-12 years old, which was 60+ years ago. So this one in particular has been our family for quite some time. It cost him 75 cents at the stamp dealer who had his shop across the street from his father's fountain shop at the time. If I do a better scan maybe we can figure out which variety it is?
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Posted 08/13/2010   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 08/13/2010   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful classic stamp Marc, with a nice cancel! Now is that a boat below the sun in the center?
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Posted 08/13/2010   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Bee See. Funny you mention the cancellation. My father had actually mentioned this about the cancel:

"I also like the cancellation, it is so beautifully sharp, as if done with a fine steel die cancellation instrument (hand canceler or machine canceler, I don't know)."

As for the image, I am not actually sure what the coat of arms is. This is what Scott shows for this stamp.

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Posted 08/13/2010   12:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a wiki here about the coat of arms of Ecuador: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_o...s_of_Ecuador
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Edited by marcbkk - 08/13/2010 12:21 pm
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Posted 08/13/2010   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a beautiful clean cancel!

Since the cancel is 1867, and the color is clearly not gray blue, then according to Scott it can only be #2 and none of the minor varieties. However, Scott has occasionally been wrong about these things in the past.

It's hard to tell from the scan, but I'm wondering if the paper might be Batonne paper? Although according to Scott, the Batonne paper wasn't used until 1870.

Hold the stamp up to a light and look through the stamp from the backside. If the paper is wove, you should be able to see an array of fine white dots (thin spots). If Batonne, you should be able to clearly see some parallel lines going all the way across the paper. Since the background in the stamp consists of vertical blue lines, you may have to focus on the white margins so you don't get confused by the blue ink lines.
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Edited by khj - 08/13/2010 4:26 pm
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Posted 08/13/2010   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that Kim. I'll have a closer look in the morning. Many thanks.
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Posted 08/14/2010   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kim - I had a close look at the back, but I could not make out any kind of distinct line or pattern. Probably my eye is not trained enough for that. So lets just assume it is a regular #2 as you said. Thanks again.
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Posted 06/07/2011   10:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ecuatoriano to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Scott #2. Too many shades exist beacuse different inks were used. Also many kinds of paper. Postmark is from LATACUNGA city.
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Posted 07/30/2011   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ecuadorexpertise to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Marc, you have a classic first stamp issued form Ecuador, our king, our start, the number 1 in more than 24 catalogs (in Scott the #1 is the 1 real yellow from 1872, huge mistake), your stamp is #2 if you use Scott, ultramarine, wove paper,cancelled March 28, 1867 in the south town of LATACUNGA. Before E-bay 20 years ago price $ 20, now with E-bay around here $ 8.
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