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Having Trouble On A San Marino Identification

 
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Posted 09/04/2010   03:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add marcbkk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These are Parcel Post stamps from San Marino. 1948-1950 period. The pair on the left appears it could be Q33 in Scott and the pair on the right could be Q34. In fact, I am pretty certain that is what they are.

What is confusing me though is Q39, which references Q38, and a surcharge with wavy lines. That would be the pair on the left possibly. If that were the case though, then there would need to be a similar listing for the pair on the right and yet there isn't.

This is why it brings me back to believing that these are Q33 and Q34 in Scott as I originally concluded.

I am also curious about the values listed. It shows for example a minted value of $140 for Q34. The question is that the price for the pair or just per stamp? Meaning would the catalog value for the pair I have be worth $280 according to Scott or possibly even more since it is an attached pair?

Cheers as always for any feedback you can offer. Marc



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Posted 09/04/2010   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If they have no watermark, then they're Q33 and Q34. The Scott value is for a joined pair, as noted in the Parcel Post intro - "Both unused and used values are for complete stamps". Nice to have!
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Posted 09/04/2010   03:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers jubilee. They don't appear to have a watermark and my father had them kept separately in a plastic frame so I assume he stored them better because he probably bought them from a dealer and considered them more valuable than some of his others. The pair on the right does have an impression on the back of the wavy lines running diagonally across the stamps which borders the word Lire on both sides, but it doesn't appear to be a watermark.

So according to Scott 2009 it would be a catalog value of roughly $180 in total for the 2 pairs?
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Posted 09/04/2010   04:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I assume this block is all Q47 (minimal value)?

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Posted 09/04/2010   04:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems your father was a smart man. FWIW, this is the first time I've seen these, and the first time I've looked up San Marino in Scott!
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Posted 09/04/2010   04:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am a bit stuck on this pair as well. They are San Marino 1907-1910 Scott #78-79. According to Scott there are two types, an 18.5 mm and a 19mm. With such minute size differences it is hard for me to really measure so well. I measured and I am not sure what they are honestly in terms of size.

How Scott lists them though is also bit confusing. It appears the regular issue #78 is Type II and then #78a is Type I. Then for #79 it seems to be reversed. Meaning regular #79 seems to be Type I and then #79a seems to be Type II. I am confused by this as to whether I am understanding it right.

Cheers... Marc...


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Edited by marcbkk - 09/04/2010 04:07 am
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Posted 09/04/2010   04:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jubilee, some of the San Marino stamps are very pretty as they were all printed by Italy, at least during that time period anyway from say 1900-1975.
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Posted 09/04/2010   06:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Marc,

I din't know this set so it's interesting to look into them.

The Scott listing order is bizarre but I don't think there are any typos.

SG gives more help - it uses the same convention of calling the first (1907) issue type I and describes this as Heavy printing. Clear lines of shading 18˝ x 25 mm.

SG describes the 1910 type II as Fine printing. Faint lines of shading 19 x 25mm.

On your scan the 1c has a wider design and has faint shading so I guess is type II, SG 53a / Scott 78. Your 15c has a narrower design and more marked shading so I guess this is type I, SG 54 / Scott 79.
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Posted 09/04/2010   06:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nigel. So it seems they 78 Type II and 79 Type 1. That is what I thought, but I wasn't sure. Thanks again.
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