Scott 11-11A Discussion

I had this in a Scott 10 spot, but with all the recut and differences, that I have read about, I don't even want to guess now. Can someone please help me out with this one - thanks Jeff



and this was marked as 11 right or back to the drawing board?

Jeff and I are on similar tracks... and I'll piggyback my request on his,
hoping he doesn't mind :)

What are these?

Oh great spirit of Russ we beseech of you to find your us and show us the true path. We place you above all others such as Scott, and Micarelli, and Gibbons.

Jeff, first one is a Type I (Scott 11). Looks like dull orange red (1855 color). The 10 were early impressions and were very crisp and detailed where you stamp looks like a worn plate. Second one is Type II (Scott 11A). Looks like deep dull red (1853 color). Very detailed impression.
Barb, First stamp is rose with a Aug 26, 1867 date would be Scott 65. The only grill issued by this date was the A grill covering the entire stamp. The other 2 are Type III Scott 26.

Thank you Russ, can you suggest reading for 10-11 era please?

That's a fascinating pair, Jeff. Until the Big Dog comes along, I'll speculate, if no one minds. Preface everything I'm about to say with, "I think" or "it looks to me like."

The top one, that you had in the 10 spot, looks like a sulfuretted 11. It short, it looks rusty.

The bottom, that you have marked as 11, has a really clear and strong button on George's collar. Everything else is clear and strong. It's not the classic "orange brown" but this color red does look like some of those 10s on the 3cent1851 site. It also has a blue Philadelphia cancel. A blue Philly doesn't automatically rule it in, but a black Philly would automatically rule it out.

You might have them reversed!

Edit: heh, what he said. Posted while I was still typing!

thank you otto :)

Otto, good point about the blue philly cancel. This cancel was used until early Oct, 1853.
EDIT: Everytime I look at these color issues I wonder how close the color on my screen is to the actual stamp color.

Note to all, I try to make sure that when I am scanning that the stamp is as close to the real mccoy that I have as possible, whenever I can see a real discrepancy, I will say so in the text of my question, but that is one thing that I watch for because I know shades can be dramatic value changers as well as different Scott numbers. Does that change any of your diagnosis on those two 10-11s Russ???

Jeff is it? Both stamps are type II, #11A. The first one is probably from plate 5L and is typical of that plate. The recut inner framelines being usually very faint and easily overlooked. Any imperf 3c stamp that shows more than the faintest trace of an inner line has been recut. The second stamp I would call a brownish carmine and is definitely not a #10A.

thanks sinclair2010, appreciate the input!

http://home.comcast.net/~3cent1851/
Jeff: Go to this link.I'm sure you will find a lot of info on the 3 cent 1851-57.This page apparently does not show this as a link,so just cut/paste it to your browser and it should take you to the info.

WRONG. It does appear as a link. So just click on it and enjoy.

thank you banetr

sinclair...welcome to this side..

Thanks from me too.