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Plating On Victoria Two Shilling

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Posted 04/04/2011   11:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jhlovell to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Does anyone know about the plating on the two shilling Victoria. It appears as though this stamp should have had at least one straight edge (on the right) but the bottom appears cut and I am wondering if the bottom right stamp of the plate would have actually had two straight edges. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks - Jeff

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Posted 04/04/2011   11:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Edward scissorhands came to play, I think.
Should be perfed on all sides.
Still a nice stamp!

Victoria (Australia) produced some handsome stamps.

I make it SG82 1859 dull bluish green
can you measure the perfs please?
..or accurately measure the width of the printed image in mm
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Edited by rod222 - 04/04/2011 11:29 am
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Posted 04/04/2011   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perfed 12 Rod
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Posted 04/04/2011   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Yay!
I might of had a win.

Generally, I take examples as the cheapest stamp
which would have had it as a typo 1864
(wmk single lined "2")

But it looks like the 1859 issue.

Perfed 12 by F.W. Robinson

Now we shall wait for the guru MmmmBalf's opinion.
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Posted 04/04/2011   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Super interesting Rod, will wait for more information since the man who had this stamp album stuck it in the 1901 set. And I have not done anything with it yet other that note the cut edges. Thanks - Jeff
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Posted 04/04/2011   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't 1859 a little early for that sort of duplex cancellation, Rod?
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Posted 04/04/2011   9:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely,
although I wouldn't know the dates.

I am looking at identifying the stamp,
figuring it's a two bob, which was a pretty penny
in those days, perhaps hanging around in the stamp drawer?

(crossing my fingers) :)
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Posted 04/05/2011   01:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Purely on the strength of the duplex cancel, my guess would be a faded out copy of SG 129/130, since these printings continued through until 1880 (though that printing was perf 12˝). But we must wait to see what the experts say.

In the meantime, http://www.stampsofvictoria.com/ is quite a good site for Victorian stamps.
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Posted 04/05/2011   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jeff,
can you measure the edges of the stamp image in mm please?
lets get this perf established first.

be accurate! :)

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Posted 04/05/2011   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I measure 19.3 mm acrpss top and 16.8~ down right side and perf under a stronger light 11.5 (sorry about the prevous perf error)

edit side 21.5 mm
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Posted 04/05/2011   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How can it be wider across the top
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Posted 04/05/2011   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Measure twice cut once! Gotta be the metric system. Find it strange how the US agreed to perforations across 2 cm way back when and yet never adopted metric for anything else. All in all still a nice stamp with all its character.
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Posted 04/05/2011   12:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nitro, the 2cm perf descriptor was a standard adapted to describe perfs (inadequately if I may add). For example the U.S. used perf 12 from 1861 to 1912 with the actual perfs being 12-65.51 (perf 12.020) 1861-73, 12-66.22 (perf 11.891) 1875-1898, 12-66.02 (perf 11.927) 1901-07, 12-66.25 (perf 11.885) 1908-12.
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Posted 04/05/2011   12:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sorry for the confusion side is 21.5 my 10x with reticule has 15 mm on each side so added wrong - sorry
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Posted 04/05/2011   11:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Well if youre measurements are correct
your stamp is perfed 11.4 x 12.09

This is good practice for the budding philatelist,
you really need accuracy and focus.

half or 1 perf can sometimes mean the difference
between 30c and $1000

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Posted 04/06/2011   12:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Nitro, the 2cm perf descriptor was a standard adapted to describe perfs (inadequately if I may add). For example the U.S. used perf 12 from 1861 to 1912 with the actual perfs being 12-65.51 (perf 12.020) 1861-73, 12-66.22 (perf 11.891) 1875-1898, 12-66.02 (perf 11.927) 1901-07, 12-66.25 (perf 11.885) 1908-12.

Can you explain more as to what the 65.51, 66.22 and so on equate to? And as a budding (I'll say collector as I don't think I've earned philatist yet) how did you come to the exact perfs from the measurement of the image and does the measurement have to be between borders. I'm seeing an equation but not sure of the formula and is it constant regardless of country or specific .
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