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Plating On Victoria Two Shilling

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Posted 04/06/2011   12:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nitro, the perforations are more accurately described by this method. All perf 12 stamps are loosely grouped as 12-66 and further refined to the 4 listed in my previous post. The first number is the analog perf (number of perfs in 2cm) the second number is the actual spacing between the perfs in thousandths of an inch.
Example: 12-66.25 is a perf 12 with .06625 inch perf spacing resulting in 11.885 perfs in 2cm.
This method of measurement helps identify altered U.S. stamps.

Edit: This is the U.S. gauge, a must for any serious U.S. collector
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/stamp...tyPerf5.html
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Edited by Russ - 04/06/2011 12:37 am
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Posted 04/06/2011   12:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was guessing 1000ths but the decimal was confusing and I will read the article for further clarification . Now how did Rod come up with the perfs on JH's stamp using the measurements given. I know this is a read more subject also but I'm betting others are curious as well.
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Posted 04/06/2011   01:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are a couple of ways to do this. You can divide the dimension by the number of perfs to get the perf spacing and calculate actual perfs/2cm. Second way is to import image to a vector program, scale and measure the features (this is my prefered method).

Edit: If anyone needs them, I have vector files for early U.S. perforations. Can provide in several formats.
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Edited by Russ - 04/06/2011 02:38 am
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Posted 04/06/2011   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Although I see lots of perf variation in Gibbons for this design, over a long time, I don't see much in the way of compound perfs. Is this just a case of catalogue rounding? (Hard to figure, if one is 11.4...)
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Posted 04/06/2011   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod those perf numbers line up very well with my guage. Where does that leave us?
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Posted 04/06/2011   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
russ.. I agree that gauge you mention is awesome. I love having one.
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Posted 04/06/2011   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MmmmBalf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry guys that I've been really strapped for time. It's 1am, should be in bed

The stamp is a Woodblock printed by S Calvert - first issued imperf in 1854. The group of stamps known as woodblocks were hand engraved in boxwood and surface printed.

The imperf, roulette and perfed varieties are all from the same printing. Calvert printed 1 million stamps in a dull bluish green shade on tinted yellow paper. (The yellow tint was actually provided by an initial lithographic printing.) The stamp was issued on 1 Sep, 1854, imperf.

Rouletted copies are all from the Melb GPO window clerks, from Aug 1857 - they usually only rouletted one or two sides. There was no other rouletting of this stamp.

In April 1859, the entire remaining stock of Calvert's printing was perforated by F. Robinson. The line perforating machine was gauged at 12 - however it's actually usually a little lower - anywhere from 11˝ to 12, but rarely over 12. It was a single line cutter - a single row of perforating pins. So perforations will vary between these numbers.

The stamp was in use until Nov 1864. So the supply lasted a long time. Not only that, but in the end only a little over 300,000 had been issued in total (including imperf, roulette and perfed.) The remaining stock was destroyed.

So the stamp is SG 82. It's most likely as Rod said, cut on 2 sides with scissors. The reason for the cutting is probably not determinable. Interestingly, there is one known used copy from 1863 imperf at right, but it's a much bigger margin. The stamp was printed using a single plate of 25 impressions - however the contract was for sheets of 50, so 2 impressions were used side by side. There's a wider gutter between the 2 impressions, so stamps along the gutter will have wider left or right margins. The stamp has been plated (but not by me! )

The Melbourne VICTORIA duplex was in use for the last few years of this stamps life. So it would appear to have been used some time 1861 - 1864.

The 1864 issue (SG 129) mentioned by Rod & Tony was a different printing and appears blue, not green. It was on greenish paper - yours has the yellow tint of the Calvert printing.

Jeff - unlike the US, Australia, including the early issues by the colonies, perforate all the way around the sheet, including the outside edge. So you don't get straight edge stamps like you do with US issues. Usually anyway.

P.S. Did you notice the words "one" & "florin" in the scroll work beneath Victoria? One florin was 2 shillings. The words were to make forgery more detectable.

Hmmm, that was a bit longer than my intended "it's too late for a detailed post"

Balf
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Posted 04/06/2011   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great explanation Balf and now I know why Rod was waiting for You are amazing. Can anyone convert SG 82 o a Scott # for me. Thanks so much to ALL of you for your input and assistance - Jeff

Rod, you hit it with your first post.
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Posted 04/06/2011   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An 1859 typographed two-shilling green, perf 12, has a Scott catalogue number of 26.
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Posted 04/06/2011   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks collin
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Posted 04/07/2011   04:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Wow!
what can one say, apart from MmmmBalf!

Jeff thanks for posting that grungy, mutilated
piece of paper, It has kept us all agog,
and some from going to bed.
Nice one

I'll be keeping this thread for my Vic pages.

....and actually, if MmmmBalf had stayed up later
he may have told another story concerning this
stamp, Calvert the original printer got nicked for being
a "light fingered Larry", that why the printing was given out to others.


"Thou shalt not steal" is not a very popular commandment.

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Posted 04/07/2011   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer...
Just noticed the "One Florin"...thanks.

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Posted 04/07/2011   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the catalogues I checked (Probably Gibbons? Don't recall...) said that Calvert was found to have pawned some of the stamps he had printed? Not too obvious...
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Posted 04/07/2011   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Next time you snail mail to me, please send one discerning eye!
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Edited by jhlovell - 04/07/2011 10:37 am
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Posted 04/07/2011   11:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Healthy memory Cj
yep, pawned
That's still stealing, right
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