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Query On Irish Charge Marks - Prestamp.

 
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Posted 05/01/2011   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Penguins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
We have a query re charges on mail from Co. Cork in Ireland to Alnwick
Northumberland, 1813-1814 .
All five letters were written by General L.S. Orde who was stationed in Fermoy in Co. Cork, Ireland and all written to the solicitor Robert Thorp of Alnwick Northumberland.

They all have the post mark the Irish mileage mark of a two-line FERMOY 108

They all have charge marks, (which have been amended in every case) - none of them have post marks to show when they were received in Alnwick.

The first one (29 Dec 1813), was charged initially at 10 pence, but this was crossed out and amended to 2/1d. It also has an Irish \'harp\' cancellation in red, but is faint and is quite hard to read, but looks like DEC 20 1813 and is the type which would have been applied in Dublin.

The second letter(11 Jany 1814) is the same, with the 10d being amended to 2/- this time, but has no Dublin postmark . It is signed and underlined at the bottom left of the address panel as though it would be a FREE mailing but the signature is clearly L.S. Orde and then a squiggle which is illegible and has been repeated on the back of the letter by the clerk who received it.

The third letter is dated 25 Jany 1814 and like the previous letter has the FERMOY mileage mark, the 10d charge crossed out and replaced with 2/-, but it has the Dublin mark 28 JA 28 1814.

I would have thought that by this time that there would have been some
contact between FERMOY and Dublin so that the correct rate was being applied at FERMOY. However, as the addressee would have had to pay the final result I don't suppose it matters!


The fourth letter 25th March 1814, no Dublin postmark just the Fermoy
mileage mark and the 10d amended again this time to 1/11


The fifth letter is dated April 18th 1814.

The 10 pence has been crossed out and replaced with 2/1 and it has the
FERMOY mileage mark but no Dublin post mark.

It all seems rather odd that the charges should vary from 1/11 to 2/1. Has anyone any suggestions as to why this would be? It looks as though the 10d is the charge Fermoy to Dublin, and then the charge altered to include the cost to England, but in that case why would it not be the same for all of them?
None of our reference books seems to help in this respect. Would scans help?

Regards to all
Eunice and Ron
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Posted 05/01/2011   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
G'day Ron,
(nice to see you back on SCF)

pre stam covers,
this is like the students getting a question from teacher

Just a few comments, not sure if it would be helpful.

First, there is a curious commentary on wiki
in the late 18th century there were only a few cabins and an Inn.

yet by the time your covers were being exchanged
there must have been a hive of activity
with over 5000 persons.

Being as the owner of Fermoy set up the mail coach system in
Ireland, one would suggest the mail costs would have been a given.
but the big query for me, would be why go via Dublin?
Surely County Cork would have had a major port
for receival of mails to the southern areas?

From wiki
In 1791, the lands around Fermoy were bought by a Scotsman, John Anderson. He was an entrepreneur who developed the roads and started the mail coach system in Ireland. He designed the town and the streets remain much the same as they were originally built. His descendants, now living in Australia, have named a wine after the town which he established.[6] A plaque and bust in his honour were unveiled by the town park in 2001. Fermoy was the site of a major British Army barracks, when Ireland was under imperial rule. By the 1830s this was the largest military establishment on the island of Ireland. In 1797, when the army was looking to establish a new and permanent base, Anderson gifted them the land as an inducement to locate in Fermoy. Anderson and the town received considerable economic benefit from the arrangement. In 1806 the first permanent barracks, the East Barracks, were built. They were located on 16˝ acres of land and provided accommodation for 112 officers and 1478 men of infantry, and 24 officers, 120 men, and 112 horses of cavalry. A general military hospital of 130 beds was also built. In 1809 West Barracks was built. This also had a 42 bed hospital. When both barracks were complete there was accommodation for 14 field officers, 169 officers, 2,816 men, and 152 horses.
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Posted 05/02/2011   06:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Penguins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,
Thanks for the reply. Though it does not answer our question, all is grist to our mill and we appreciate you taking the time and trouble to answer in that depth.

Any knowledge is a benefit so far as we are concerned and it is great to have the forum to contact other like minded people.

Despite getting up at sixish in the morning and usually not retiring till near enough midnight there do not seem to be enough hours in the day for all that we want to do (wear out, not rust out!) which is why we sort of 'pop on and off' the list.

Regards to all
Ron and Eunice.
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