#39 Grid Cancel Right Side Scroll Missing

Hi All,
You can tell I am new to this and still trying to learn.
I have compared this stamp to all of the certs on the PF.

I did brighten the front picture to show the detail and the cancel (is that OK).
As you can see the top left corner has the perf folded back and I do not want to mess with trying to straighten it.
I think that the cancel looks like the NY red grid.
The centering would be about a 80.
The right side is missing the scroll, where would that put the grade of this stamp (please give your opinion).

edit - Please look at my other #39 and give an opinion.
https://goscf.com/t/20450

Bump - Another question
Since the cancel is over the missing scroll could that be a bad transfer?

Jay

Hard to tell from the picture, it does look to me like the paper on the right side is a different color than the paper on the left, perhaps that part of the image was scraped off. It looks like it affects the cancel as well on that side.

I agree that the right side seems different. How do I check for scraping?
jay

Nicks and scrapes and thins and tears show up more clearly when the stamp is 'dipped' in watermark fluid. This is safe for the stamp. A certification service will have more elaborate tools but fluid will find most flaws. A dealer will certainly 'dip' a stamp like this before making an offer.

Jayvin,

If this is your stamp, I would send it to Weiss for certification. If you are considering buying it, I advise against it. What concerns me is how the perf tips look gum-soaked all around the stamp ... esp at the top and the bottom.

As you are probably well aware, this stamp is quite rare in genuine, used condition. The difference in price between Mint, OG and used is about 250% in favor of the used stamp. An unused, no gum stamp is the least valuable of all.

The scenario I propose is this:

This is an unused, no gum stamp that was regummed, called out as regummed, had the gum removed, had fake cancellation added.

Instead of looking at certified used copies in the census, look at all of the unused/regummed copies and see if you can match them up.

Good luck!

Brian

It also looks like the whole top right of the stamp is repaired. One, the back side looks like a lighter paper was used. Also, take a close look at the perfs. They are ever-so-slightly curved outward. In fact, the left side perfs seem a bit curved inward (I don't think that should happen).

I'd pass on the stamp.

bankruptcollector

I am going through my father-in-laws collection. Trying to figure out what is here and what to do with everything. I understand about the certification, but I am worried about sending a "potentially" valuable stamp in the mail. How do you insure something that you do not know what it's value could be?

If you looked, I have 2 of these the other is a presentation copy that may have been used. See other thread.

Yes, if they both are "real" that envelope could be worth alot of money. Is there a way to have the certification people contact me for return postage and more importantly insurance? I am very concerned about setting a value on this collection (for insurance and when it comes time to sell).

Jay

I'm not sure, but it wouldn't hurt to call and ask.

What I can tell you is that stamps are sent through the mail all the time. In 12 years, I have had 2 lots that did not arrive. I frequently purchase and receive stamps in the mail worth hundreds or thousands and feel comfortable doing so.

Depending on the agency, certifications can be expensive. I suggest Bill Weiss because he does not charge based on the catalogue value of the stamp. Additionally, he will offer an expert opinion, for a small fee, using only scanned images. On more expensive items like this 39 (catalogue $7000, if authentic), I think it's worth the price.

http://www.stampexpertizing.com/

Brian

Brian - I agree with you 100%.

I e-mailed Mr. Weiss with the questions. I will post the answer if he replys.

Jay

Talked with Bill Weiss.

His insurance ($50,000) covers the shipment both ways (as long as it is sent Registered or Overnight mail).

So if I send it today - $25 each stamp (color ertification) and $15 USPS registered mail.

Jay

Well worth the price! APS or PF charges are based on the catalogue value of the stamp ... 5% of submitted value + $20.00 per item. Minimum fee: $47.00 - Maximum fee: $650.00. So in your case, you would pay $350/per stamp based on catalogue value + $20ea. Total price $740.

Now you see why Weiss is such a bargain!