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Posted 01/07/2012   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bunnyos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

I need your help for somes identification please

The last is unused
















Thank you in advance
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Posted 01/07/2012   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know that much about these early issue stamps, but I would say the last one is used. It appears there is at least a remnant of a postmark in the upper left corner of the stamp.
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Posted 01/07/2012   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take a crack at it
1.- #9
2.- #9
3.- #14
4.- #14

Now there are of course different types (I,II,III etc..) and I'm sure one the early stamp specialists will chime in with a much more accurate assessment. I think I done pretty good though. Good luck and very beautiful stamps. I truly am green with envy right now ->


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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 01/07/2012 6:49 pm
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Posted 01/07/2012   8:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add artlaunier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps (aside from some SCF experts)? The best place to identify what you have is at slingshots.... There is a lot of information about the early stamps and it takes a bit to learn but, worth the ride. (I'm still learning).

http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...inFrame.html

Art
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Posted 01/07/2012   8:12 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#7, #9, #15, #14. The #14 has had a major repair job. The entire left margin has been replaced including much of the design.
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Posted 01/07/2012   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow that's amazing sinclair2010! How could you tell about the repair? Hey I like that link Artlaunier! Thank you.
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Posted 01/08/2012   12:13 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to say the same thing on the bottom #14 as Winston did. If the 3 beads are on both sides, it can not be a Type V. If the beads are not there, it must be a Type V (#35 with perfs is the only Type V). Beads are there on the right side, but not on the left. Only solution is that they were cut away, and what is left there is fake.

Hope this helps....Ray
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Posted 01/08/2012   08:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sirruspoe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. I gotta ask then...I'm a learning here. So the person making the repair used a piece of the wrong stamp to repair? And if they used the correct stamp for repair would it still as noticeable? Or actually attempted to somehow to draw this on their own? Or some other way? Forgive my ignorance, but you got me hooked on knowing more.
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Posted 01/08/2012   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dip the stamp in stamp fluid, it extent of the repair should show.
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Posted 01/08/2012   11:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow another one that would of passed my eye. I gotta say without seeing the back whomever and whenever the repair was done they did a decent job-- If the perls were there it would be really hard to spot. Can someone show or explain the diferences in the 7-9 since they are together and it will be a good reference post.
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Posted 01/08/2012   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sirruspoe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nitrolures I think it has something to do with the top of the frame being recut in the second one. But someone will obviously tell us the truth since I'm guessing.
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Posted 01/08/2012   11:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bunnyos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for this quick answer to all expert or not great job

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Posted 01/08/2012   7:41 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sirruspoe, the stamp was repaired by adding a piece of paper and drawing in the missing parts of the design. Even if a piece of a real stamp was used the repair would likely be evident though possibly only in watermark fluid.
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Posted 01/08/2012   7:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sirruspoe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Sinclair.
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Posted 01/14/2012   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone? Anyone?... Bueller?

Nitrolures left a question out there which thus far hasn't been answered, so I'll take it upon myself to provide one. Yeah, I was that kind of student.

Sevens and nines have in common complete top and bottom lines, complete (more or less) left and right ornaments, incomplete plumes and missing balls. The difference is in the nines the one or both of the top and bottom lines has been recut. Which is to say, an engraver went to the plate directly and used his cutting tools to reinforce the lines. A seven is type II of the 1851 1c Franklin design, and a nine is type IV. Sevens and nines are by definition imperforate*; a perfed type II is a 20 and a perfed type IV is a 23.

In looking at bunnyos' seven, we see a thin top line, and a very faint bottom line. So faint, that in this low resolution scan it appears to be missing. Missing either the top or bottom line would make it an 8A (type IIIa). However, there are only a few positions with broken bottom lines, and the rest of this stamp does not look like those. For no extra charge, I'll throw in that this seven is relief "B," which we can tell because the ornaments at the top (circled with the ovals) are by and large complete.



Looking at bunnyos' nine, we can see the top and bottom lines have parts that are heavier and darker--bolder--than the rest of the line. This is the recutting. I have used arrows to point out the ends of the recut sections. An interesting thing about the type IVs is every recutting is different in where it starts and ends, which is how we know the recutting was done directly on the plate. This nine is relief A, the ovals showing the ornaments on the top are incomplete.

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Posted 01/19/2012   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is amazing and the circles helped me with the explanation. Thanks Otto!
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