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Posted 07/23/2012   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 597596 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm so excited I can't contain myself

I just received my verification from The Philatelic Foundation regarding a gumming error and color variance I submitted a few weeks back.

Just to update everyone, I started a topic some time back, "Understanding gumming Error's" I have an Unused block of 16 stamps from The Philippine Islands of The United States, Scott# 292.
I was trying to figure out if my stamps had an actual gumming error or some other explanation as to why they looked glossy on 4 full stamps and half of 4 stamps. I received quit a bit of feed back and thought the only way to know for sure was to have it examined by a professional committee. Well, my results came back and I'm eager to share with everyone!

I now present the results!














I only wish I knew how many more existed, other then the obvious 40 stamps that came from the sheet of 400 mine did.
I'm proud that I was able to share my discovery with the great people here first.
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Posted 07/23/2012   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ncbuckeye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! that is exciting news! And just look how long they have gone unnoticed!
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Posted 07/23/2012   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ncbuckeye,
no kidding, I have had these in my collection for over 21 years and I just recently noticed.
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Posted 07/23/2012   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coinsearcher83 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!
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Posted 07/23/2012   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canadianphilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! does this mean that you discovered a new variety/error? Maybe you should let Scott know!
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Posted 07/23/2012   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
canadianphilatelist,

I'm not sure if it's an entirely new variation I though it was interesting it was verified as 262VAR with the side notation Scott#292. Any ideas?
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Posted 07/23/2012   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Typo. You should notify PF.
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Posted 07/23/2012   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Russ,

Your right, They did type it up wrong Error after error seem to follow these guys
I'm also surprised they don't have the cert in their data base yet either.

canadianphilatelist,
I am not 100% positive this is a whole new variation, but I took your advise and notified Linns just in case. Why not, I don't see it listed in their catalog. Great Idea canadianphilatelist.
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Posted 07/23/2012   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Did you submit it as a 262VAR?

I think the catalog number on the certificate reflects the ID that you submitted it under and the opinion portion of the certificate contains the PF identification of the stamp (i.e., a 292 VAR).

EDIT: This cert was submitted by the stamp's previous owner as a 64a and it came back as a 64 -- note that the catalog number is listed as 64a but the narrative correctly identifies it as a 64.

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Posted 07/23/2012   11:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
tomiseksj,

I just checked the paperwork I submitted as well as the confirmation letter they sent to me when they received it. It all stats, Philippine Scott#292. I did submit it as a color variation, Lilac, And the cert shows only 292 not 292a.
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Posted 07/24/2012   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a quick side note; now that this error has been verified and based on the example I have. There is at least 16 more examples fully gummed on both sides, and 16 examples gummed half way, some where out there waiting to be discovered.
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Posted 07/24/2012   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It all stats, Philippine Scott#292.


The preprinted portion of the certificate clearly indicates "and described by the applicant as follows:"

If you submitted it as a 292 then, as Russ said, it is a typo.

We'll be interested in hearing what type of response you get from Linns.
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Posted 07/24/2012   11:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Trying to research gumming errors have been difficult in determining if they are considered a "Major Error". I have read Errors Vs. EFO, And the top major errors discussed are,
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"missing or wrong colors, wrong paper, wrong watermarks, inverted centers or frames on multicolor printing, inverted or missing surcharges or overprints, double impressions & missing perforations."


The most information I have found on gumming errors is.(In theory gumming errors are possible, in practice used stamps have no gum, so any error would become undetectable).

I am very curious as to how Linns or others will categorize this, a major error or EFO.

I found this comment interesting from Linns,
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"In discussing errors, both error specialist Stephen R. Datz and Scott catalog editor James E. Kloetzel emphasize that the appearance of a stamp is of greater significance in determining its status than is the stamp's means of production."
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Posted 07/24/2012   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canadianphilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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canadianphilatelist,
I am not 100% positive this is a whole new variation, but I took your advise and notified Linns just in case. Why not, I don't see it listed in their catalog. Great Idea canadianphilatelist.


I hope they list it as a new variety! That would be so exciting if they were to list it as a new variety =) Make sure you come back and tell us when/if it gets listed!
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Posted 07/24/2012   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
canadianphilatelist,

lol, I couldn't leave everyone hanging without closure. I'm anxiously waiting to hear back myself just to share with everyone.
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Posted 07/24/2012   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, how disapointing!

I just received an email from Linns and they state,
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Dear Mr. Chavez,

Thank you for contacting us. This is a gumming freak, not a listable error.


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Edited by 597596 - 07/24/2012 2:30 pm
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