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Posted 07/24/2012   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add canadianphilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Awww =( I am sorry to hear that! I wonder how many of these freaks are out there.
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Posted 07/24/2012   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Linns (Amos Advantage/Scott). That doesn't make them any less special, as such gum errors would be rather unusal I should think. You might do some research into who printed these stasmps. That might add another dimention to their story.

I bet some US Possession or Phillipines specialist would love to get his hands on them.

You might also contact the US Possessions Philatelic Society for any information they might be able to share (http://www.uspps.net/).
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Posted 07/24/2012   4:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
smauggie,

I think it's an incredible error to have in my collection, and started researching and making more contacts to learn more about it. The disappointment of not finding a notable error for Scott's is a minor let down. I may not have done it with this stamp, but I will on my next submission to them, guarantee. My EKU #493 is still pending


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You might do some research into who printed these stasmps. That might add another dimention to their story.


I beleive Scott's catalog lists Bureau of Engraving and Printing.


P.S. Thanks for the link, I'm on it!
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Posted 07/24/2012   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I thought. How often did the BEP make this kind of printing error? I would say it is quite rare.
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Posted 07/24/2012   6:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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How often did the BEP make this kind of printing error? I would say it is quite rare.


I would say that the lack of information I am able to gather, these types of errors are either extremely difficult to find, hard to identify, or just a lack of interest to collectors.

I've posted the same question many times myself.

From the feed back I received when I first started showing this EFO, here, local stamp clubs & dealers were all the same, "It's a fake someone re-gummed it!", "It was from improperly storing them and it's a gum transfer!". I think a majority of collectors feel it's an improbability and therefore don't pay attention to this type of error, Just my opinion though.
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Posted 07/24/2012   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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You might also contact the US Possessions Philatelic Society for any information they might be able to share


smauggie, took your advise and sent an email.
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Posted 07/24/2012   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

Congratulations !

It is a production error like: printed on the gum side, displaced colors or perforations, doctor blade's freaks, color omited, etc.
Is very unusual (I had never seen before in others stamps) and therefore should perfectly included in catalog.

What would do Linn or Scott if had found it them ?
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Posted 07/24/2012   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jorge,

I just received an email from Linns and they state,


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Dear Mr. Chavez,

Thank you for contacting us. This is a gumming freak, not a listable error.


The gum was actually applied to the front of the stamp over the printing, so it has gum on both sides.

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Posted 07/25/2012   01:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have made contact with several philatelic foundations in the attempt to gain more understanding with this type of EFO. I'll keep everyone informed, and if there are any other suggestions or questions I should be asking these foundations please feel free to share them with me.
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Posted 07/26/2012   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm just going to keep adding the response I have been receiving from the multiple Philately committee's, as I hear back from them.
My goal is find any other know examples that replicate this type of oddity. It's a great discussion and my curiosity as to how often this happens is driving my research. It's been a lot of fun, just not very educational, yet.


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Fred: That certainly is an interesting piece! I have seen the occasional stamp with gum on both sides, but nothing this large. I think your certificate tells pretty much the whole story. I suspect the sheet ended up in the gumming machine face down, most likely by accident. To have a piece that large and clean is something I've never seen before. I wish I could help more, but it is an interesting variety. and a scarce one. Regards, Bob
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Posted 07/26/2012   3:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm just going to keep adding the response I have been receiving from the multiple Philately committee's, as I hear back from them.


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Posted 07/31/2012   01:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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28. Gum missing from a full stamp, or present on the front of a stamp: Gum skips need to be collected in large enough blocks to assure that one can see where the gum starts and stops. Otherwise, a single stamp with gum washed off could be passed off as the error. Even when a block is offered, it is seen as a curiosity by most, and value is slight. The same is true for those few stamps that have been gummed on the front instead of, or in addition to, the back. The 1934 6˘ National Parks is known with gum on both sides.


I found this small blurp on the efocc I found concerning. I wonder if this will hold true for my error stamp?
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Posted 08/04/2012   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I have listed this EFO on my ebay account to see what offers I receive. I know everyone is going to see it. Just read it before you give me slack for it

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330774125649
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Posted 08/05/2012   1:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love the controversy my ebay listing has been causing.
On top of that, people do not read! I clearly stated I'm not looking for $100k but taking offers. I finally capitalized "make any offer" I used an insane buy it now to draw attention to the listing.
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Posted 08/15/2012   10:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just an update for anyone interested.

I have been researching my EFO, placing phone calls and emails to many experts looking for advise and of course value. I'm sure anyone that would have discovered such an enigma in their collection would want know. I have spoken with philatelic experts, auction houses & dealers. My Phone bill is starting to look like I started a telemarketing firm. Anyway, every-one's opinions have been identical, not one expert, dealer or auction house has seen or has dealt with a production error, sorry, freak stamp such as this one. Most stamps found with the gum applied to the face of the stamp are debated as having minimal added value for specific reasons. Most "Freaks" like this have primarily been found on foreign stamps and only a few, how ever many the experts mean by a few?, US stamps. In all cases referenced to me by all I have talked with, has been not been large enough or detailed enough to identify where the production error started or stopped on an intact sheet of stamps this large, or to the extent where the gum is perfectly aligned in the selvage from back to front. I was also surprised when almost everyone noted, "specially by the BEP". Though no one was able to place a monetary value there is a consistent conclusion of being scarce. All the information obtained so far has been identical with nothing new to add unfortunately.
I do have the opportunity to list with a couple well known auction houses. I was very surprised considering the caliber of auctions they have held. I guess I'll think about it for now. I have about a month before they start printing catalogs and promote the next auction.
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