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Type I Vs. Type II - 2¢ Washington America Issue Question?

 
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Posted 07/28/2012   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm ID-ing some stuff for a buddy and am doing some 2¢ Carmine Washington bust from the 1925-ish "AMERICA" set. I have so far found #554's, #579's, #583, #599(coils) but I am having a bit of trouble spotting a type II. from a type I. Does anyone have an example of each they could show so I know just what to look for? My "trusty"<? guide book has led me astray before and I'm afraid the image shown isn't quite as accurate as the actual item (eg: blurry B&W image). Thank you for any guidance you can offer.

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Posted 07/28/2012   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Over the last year I have became a master of identifying 2c Washington types, I, II & III. The first thing to look for is in the Toga Rope and Button, If you have a well defined lines on the top of the Toga Rope and Button it is a type II, but be careful, If the upper right laurel berry has a check mark, not an indistinct blob it is a type III. There are several other items to look for. Keep in mind type III stamps have an extra line in the second ribbon curve. If you can post a couple samples I can tell you what you have. or you can use 1847stampusa website.

I have really good examples of type I,II & III ill post fpr you and how you can tell them apart.
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Posted 07/28/2012   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are very clean 2c Washingtons arranged from type I, II & III




You can tell that the type II has a very strong defined lines in the toga rope and button compared to the above example. Another place to look is the locks of hair but if you don't have a lot of experience with this, it just becomes confusing.

If you look at the above type II and the below type III you can see they look the same. The difference here is in the shading lines in the right ribbon, The type III has two lines in the below picture and the type II has only one. Another area to look at is the upper right Laurel berry,Type III below has a check inside the berry and the type II has an indistinct blob inside the upper right berry.


I'll crop and post other areas to look at.

Type I ribbon



Type II below

Type III with the second line in the ribbon.


Type I &II Laurel Berry with indistinct blob.



Notice the check mark in type III
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Posted 07/28/2012   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wait until all the easy identifiers are covered up, then you need to use the other factors. Such as mouth shape, line under ear and Shadings in locks of hair. I had to do this to determine this was a #492. Not an easy task.





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Posted 07/28/2012   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys a lot but you have the wrong stamp I'm afraid. I'm refering to the 2¢ Washington from the AMERICA set. Design of #554.

I am VERY familiar with Swedish Tiger. Thank you.
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Posted 07/28/2012   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 597596 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
my bad, lol. I was so eager to help I didn't pay attention to the numbers you used.
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Posted 07/28/2012   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey don't feel too awful bad about it because that was my very next question...lol It is still very valuable to me! Thank you.
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Posted 07/28/2012   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tefloncinco to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found a section to be advised to coil stamps 2c Washington they are very fine pieces as they are clearly well kept,at first they all looked alike to me and the difference is obtain through knowledge. I myself have and still collect coil stamps
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Posted 07/29/2012   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lpmiller to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_L_S, check out the following page. It should answer all your questions about identifying the #599A and #634A Type IIs. Personally I key on the three very distinct heavy lines at the top center of George's head since they're the easiest to see. After you've isolated that difference, you'll never have a problem discerning the Type Is from the Type IIs.

http://www.1847usa.com/1922/634vs634A.htm
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597596...There are programs that will remove the cancellation and allow you to see what is underneath (When you have a high res. scan)...See pic below and I only spent about 10 secs tuning it.


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Thanks IPMILLER you rock! Also that's a neat program you have there wert! Thank you both. Very helpful.
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Posted 07/29/2012   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now, though, I actually am trying to correctly I.D. a dozen 2¢ reds from the Washington/Franklins. I could use your help!
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