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US Private Pomeroy Used On Newspaper?

 
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Posted 09/29/2012   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add nitrolures to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
When I first looked at this I assumed it was just a cut out picture from an old newspaper because of the newsprint text on the back. However I just read in a special delivery book (thanks to WT1) that impressions were used directly on newspaper for delivery so this may very well be the case with this Pomeroy.
Below are some other privates that came along for the ride - I'm pretty sure several are forgeries in the lot but a few seem quite legit.


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Posted 09/29/2012   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgery or reprint. The lettering is not right. Below is a genuine 117L4 pair.

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Posted 09/29/2012   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
very nice, especially like the Confederate States. At first glance they look like they're legit.
Nice score.

Also I'd say the first two in the second row, Mobile and New Orleans, look like Confederate Postmasters Provisionals. But I'm afraid, comparing them to the images in my Scotts Specialized, that I'd say they are both forgeries or reproductions. Some of the type and scroll work just don't match up.

Here's an image of an New Orleans Provisional from ebay (I assume it's legit, at least it matches the catalogue images more closely).



Notice the scroll work in the left hand corners and how generally everything is a little broader than your copy.
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Posted 09/29/2012   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Boyd's and Metropolitan are probable genuine. The Hale and Union Express are reprint. The Lanman & Remp is an express label but I don't know enough about it to saay if it is genuine. I know nothing about CSA of UK railway letter stamps so I can't help there.

I will check my references on the Letter Express and post info later.
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Posted 09/29/2012   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Letter Express is bogus. That design was only printed in black of either pink or green glazed paper.
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Posted 09/29/2012   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the Letter express is a reprint. They are only listed as being printed in black, and the drawing looks somewhat cruder than shown in the catalogue image.
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Posted 09/29/2012   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The couple other pomeroys I have are on fibrous paper that is really obvious. The book I was reading was Canadian special delivery history and only by chance there was a pic of a stamp impression on newspaper. It wasn't an actual affixed stamp so I thought this may fit the bill. Now would be a rubber stamp but not sure what they would have used back then for something like that.
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Posted 09/29/2012   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For U.S. independent and local posts the Scott catalog is not the best. Prbably the best reference is the Siegel Auction catalof for sale 817 of the David Golden collection.
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Posted 09/29/2012   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure how the UK 2 pence railroad ended up in this mix so maybe have to do new post on that one . Thank you for all the info on others. I've accumulated quite a few privates but really have not studied them . Its discouraging when there are so many in period reprints and fakes that even surpass the originals. I will check out that seigal auction for some assistance.
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Posted 10/01/2012   11:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I95 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Pomeroy is a cut out from newspaper or journal, the Boyd's is genuine, the Metropolitan is a reprint, the Mobile and New Orleans are Upham's facsimiles, the Hale, Baldwin's, Letter Express and Union Despatch are S.A. Taylor forgeries. The general issue Confederates are genuine.
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Posted 10/02/2012   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I95 Thank you for the ID's - Maybe I will dig out all my others and let you have a look . Have a hodge podge of husseys, pomeroys and others just have to get them all together.
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Posted 10/02/2012   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The confederates are in question.
A larger resolution image is needed.
The used confederate (if genuine) is considered a forgery. That is because ALL used confederate stamps are considered forgeries unless the postmark can be positively identified.

I believe the CSA 14 is a reprint.
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Posted 10/02/2012   11:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The top left stamp is a cutout from a Lanman and Kemp perfume company label. It is somewhat similar to the Lanman and Kemp private die perfume stamps listed in the Scott specialized. However this item is only about 25% of the complete label.
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Posted 10/02/2012   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt the Metropolitan is genuine, the color and paper both seem much to bright.
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Posted 10/02/2012   11:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I95 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampvirgin, why do you think that the confederate #14 is a reprint? No reprints are known of this stamp. The stamp shown matches the genuine stamp in all details. It does not match the 20+ known forgeries of this stamp. It does appear orange in the scan and may be 14a.

The five cent stamp is genuine weather the cancellation is or is not. Pen canceled confederate stamp are known. An authentication committee might not give an option to the authentication of the cancellation but that does not mean it is not genuine.

Unidentified cancellations are really only an issue for stamps worth more used then unused. Examples include Confederate #8 and #13. In these cases the cancellations should be identifiable as you are paying a premium for the canceled stamp.

It should also be noted that pen canceled genuine confederate stamp are usually worth less then the same handstamped canceled confederate stamps.
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Posted 10/02/2012   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The metropolitan is actually on heavy stock almost card stock. Reading up on the taylor forgeries almost makes collecting them a challenge and a half.
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