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$100 Stamp, Used To Buy What?

 
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Posted 05/01/2013   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SueStamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi Everyone,
I was wondering....when people purchased this stamp, what would they buy? That is a lot of money right now so I wonder how much $100 was back in the early 1900's?

Is the red numbers a registration or production number?
Thank you,
Sue







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Posted 05/01/2013   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhino Dino to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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When the Civil War erupted in 1861, the country was on the verge of bankruptcy. A plan was developed to generate internal revenue – money collected from taxes placed on domestic items such as tobacco, alcohol, medicine, perfume and playing cards. Stamps were provided as proof of payment. Examining used U.S. Revenue stamps offers a window into the past – the government required several unusual cancellation techniques such as private cancels, manuscript initials and perforated initials.

The same legislation that created these stamps also created the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP).


Until 1862, specific Revenue stamps were required for many taxable items – leading to a wealth of interesting stamps for modern collectors. Imperforate and "part-perf" error stamps present another challenging – yet affordable – collecting opportunity.


http://www.mysticstamp.com/viewProd...asp?sku=R248
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Posted 05/01/2013   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Zuzu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let me begin by saying I know NOTHING about revenue stamps. This one has "Stock Transfer" overprinted, so it's probably safe to assume that this particular stamp was used for that purpose. I suppose another common use would be on deeds transferring ownership of real estate?
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Posted 05/01/2013   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I suppose another common use would be on deeds transferring ownership of real estate?


Exactly. In fact, these days real estate transfer "stamps" have often been replaced with postage meters valued at hundreds or even thousands of dollars depending on the fee required based on the value of the real estate involved.

Here's an example. Note it came from a Deed in Suffolk County, Massachusetts (Boston) and is actually a Pitney Bowes Postage Meter customized for that very use:

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Posted 05/01/2013   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SueStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating!
Does anyone know what year of this stamp?
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Posted 05/01/2013   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Zuzu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Like many other states, Nebraska has a "Documentary Stamp Tax", but there is no actual stamping (by meter or otherwise) anymore. Instead, it's simply noted on the deed:


(instrument number redacted)

Well, I guess there is rubber stamping. :P
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Posted 05/01/2013   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhino Dino to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Does anyone know what year of this stamp?


Link I posted states Cat #R248 from 1917.

http://www.mysticstamp.com/viewProd...asp?sku=R248

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Posted 05/01/2013   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is not an R248. This is an RD22, first issued in 1918 but used until 1940. With a control number in the 45,000 range it was probably used approx. 1928-1930 but that is just an educated guess.

Although the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue was created in 1862, the government had many taxes in place right from the beginning, often using embossed revenue stamped paper to collect them (the RM's in the Scott Specialized). Alcohol, tobacco, playing cards, and financial paper have always been taxed, sometimes heavily.
Every war has brought added taxes and a large variety of stamps to pay them; some only lasted for the duration and some lasted for 15-20 years after.
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Posted 05/01/2013   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back in those days, rich people paid taxes. The federal tax on stock deals might have been 0.1 % - if so, the transaction was rated at 100,000$ - or about 200 shares of APPL today.
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Posted 05/01/2013   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a value a little higher. They have a few higher than this.




Another more interesting sideline to revenues is the use of perfins by the brokerage companies on the revenue issues. The rating system is different, some of the companies are also crossed into the regular perfin collections, although the values may be very different! You can also find railroad cancels on revenues, and other interesting things.
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Posted 05/01/2013   7:44 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Back in those days, rich people paid taxes."

...and they still do. Half of Americans don't pay any income tax at all, and it ain't the rich half.
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Posted 05/01/2013   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why not, the rich can afford to hire accountants that know the laws inside out. Using the GAAP guide they can make a 10 million dollar profit look like a 10 million dollar loss. Sports teams do it every year.

The highest face value of a US revenue stamp is $50,000 (RX25), used to pay the tax on distilled spirits.
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Posted 05/01/2013   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I Brake For Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I wonder how much $100 was back in the early 1900's?


It depends on where you live, and other things. Here are some comparisons...

In the 1900's, A loaf of bread would cost you about 25 cents. A gallon of milk was $0.28, a pound of butter was $0.25, a gallon of gas was $0.04, a new home (average) was $3,395 and the annual income was $1,004.

But comparisons of this are inaccurate because of the issue of buying power. How much you get for your money. And also where you live. For example, where I live a gallon of gas is about 80 times more expensive now than that 1900's price. If this were consistent for everything, a pound of butter would cost $20.00. But for other things the comparison might be very close. For a house, $270,000 is not out of line in some cities, but in others the average could be as much as half in the current market.


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Posted 05/02/2013   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Au contraire Sinclair - ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_tax
The tax was actually higher 0.2% [1914-1932] and up to 0.4% (100$ for a 25,000 deal)[1932-1966].
The rich people decided enough was enough and the tax went away in 1966 [Johnson, Democratic Era].
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Posted 05/02/2013   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to http://www.measuringworth.com/uscom...ivevalue.php
In 2011, the relative value of $100.00 from 1917 ranges from $1,200.00 to $25,300.00.

If you want to compare the value of a $100.00 Commodity in 1917 there are four choices. In 2011 the relative:
real price of that commodity is $1,750.00
real value of that commodity is $3,320.00
labor value of that commodity is $6,110.00(using the unskilled wage) or $9,430.00(using production worker compensation)
income value of that commodity is $8,380.00

If you want to compare the value of a $100.00 Income or Wealth , in 1917 there are four choices. In 2011 the relative:
historic standard of living value of that income or wealth is $1,750.00
contemporary standard of living value of that income or wealth is $3,320.00
economic status value of that income or wealth is $8,380.00
economic power value of that income or wealth is $25,300.00

If you want to compare the value of a $100.00 Project in 1917 there are four choices. In 2011 the relative:
historic opportunity cost of that project is $1,200.00
contemporary opportunity cost of that project is $3,320.00
labor cost of that project is $6,110.00(using the unskilled wage) or $9,430.00(using production worker compensation)
economy cost of that project is $25,300.00
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Posted 05/02/2013   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not to make this an overly political discussion but....
If that stock transfer tax were still in existance, the US budget deficit would be looking a lot better.

The DAILY NYSE dollar volume is about 25 billion, and the NASDAQ about 80 billion. If the 0.4 tax rate on transactions were re-enacted - there would be over 400 million per market-open day in new tax revenues.

Imagine the great stamps we would have to collect!
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