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"Our Kind Of Cover" - 1870

 
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Posted 06/29/2013   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add doug2222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This type of postal history seems to be a favorite on SCF. The entire page has been excerpted from the monthly bulletin of the Columbus (Ohio) Philatelic Club for March 2013.

The cover does not reproduce too well, but it's the letter's contents that are fascinating. Maybe our genealogy buffs can trace this girl.

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Posted 06/29/2013   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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This type of postal history seems to be a favorite on SCF.



I see the history and the human interest drama, and those are great. But as for it being "postal history" what kind of postal history is it?

Does philately have a postal history category for "why the mails were used?" Should it?

If your comment that this is a favorite form of postal history on this forum is true, then the categories have shifted quite a bit from the standard used for exhibiting.

So the question really is "What makes history POSTAL history?"
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Posted 06/29/2013   10:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, dear, I've used the wrong terminology. Let's just call it a historical letter, the kind that generates considerable interest on SCF.
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Posted 06/29/2013   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some additional information. The orphaned child was apparently Martha Sinclair (rather than St. Clair) according to this text:


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Martha Sinclair
Martha Sinclair 9 F SS Hibernian 1869 Oct 28 - Nov 8

PLACEMENTS FOR MARTHA

First Party Report - 1869 - Liverpool Workhouse Schools - # 9. Martha Sinclair; 13; orphan; workhouse 3 years; relations none known; Mrs. Amy E., Widow, Clinton, Hunterdon Co., New Jersey, U.S.; Bound for service; Farmer. Has 2 sons and a daughter grown up.

1870 United States Federal Census
Name:Martha Sinclar Estimated Birth Year:abt 1858 Age in 1870:12
Birthplace:Scotland (or England?)
Home in 1870:Union, Hunterdon, New Jersey
Race:White Gender:Female
Post Office:Clinton

Amy Exton 62
Jos E Exton 28
Henrietta L Exton 26
Charles H Carter 13
Martha Sinclar 12
Nelson Bunn 30


1878 Rye Report - #11 - US

1875 Letters - What The children Say about Canada - Kirkdale - pg 46/ (written to the Workhouse in Liverpool)

New Jersey, Union Farm,
February 7th, 1870
I now write these few lines to tell you that I like my place very much, and my mistress is very kind to me and gives me all I want, and it is a very nice place indeed, and I only got there on Saturday morning at 2 o'clock, and I was very glad to get there. And would you please tell me how you are getting on, and I like to know how the children are getting on. And would you please tell how Mrs. (surname not given) is getting on, for I like to know very much how your two children are, and I hope they are quiet well, and I hope all is well and would tell me how Catherine Travis is, for I like to know very much how she am, and I like to know how you are getting on, and would please tell Priscilla Elliot that I will soon send her a letter soon, and I send my kind love to Priscilla Elliot and Mary Hodson, and to Louisa Burden, and would you please tell me how George is getting on, for I like to know very much, and I thank him very much for carrying my box over, and I want to know how you are getting on, and I send my kind love to you, and I very happy, and I am very sorry to that I cannot write any better, for it is my first time in writing a letter to you and write it all myself, and I am going to put a few verses in this letter, is about it is well:
TIS WELL
BELOVED, IT IS WELL
GOD'S WAYS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT
AND PERFECT LOVE IS O'ER THEM ALL,
THO' FAR ABOVE OUR SIGHT.
BELOVED, IT IS WELL
THO' DEEP AND SORE THE SMART,
THE HAND THAT WOUNDS KNOWETH HOW TO BIND
AND HEAL THE BROKEN HEART
BELOVED, IT IS WELL
THO' SORROW CLOUD OUR WAY
TWILL ONLY MAKE THE JOY MORE DEAD
THAT USHERS IN THE DAY
So no more at present from your effectnate, - Signed: MARTHA SINCLAIR

1875 Letters -What the Children Say About Canada - -pg 29
Sunday, February 27th,
Union Farm. (1870) (New Jersey)
My Dear Friend: I write these few lines to tell you that I like my place very much and Mrs Exton is very kind to me and I like her very much, and Miss Louisia also is very kind to me and I like to tell you how I got along.I was very safe and they were all very kind to me and a gentleman taken me into his house and gave me my supper on the first day you had sent me and the same gentleman gave me pretty near three dollars and he was very kind to me indeed, and he put me into the sleeping car and I reached great bend very early and they were very kind to me at Great Bend and gave me all I wanted, and Mrs Howe gave me a pear of draws and I thanked her very much and a kind Gentleman at Great Bend gave me about 5 cents, and I stayed at Great Bend four day, and Mrs Exton sent for me at Great Bend on Friday night to tell them to send on Saturday morning and the Mrs Exton was to meet at Hampton Junction and I got to the house between 1 and 2 o=clock, and it is very nice place indeed, and a Gentleman was at Mrs Extons this morning and I think he wants a girl, and Mrs Exton thinks there are several good places for good girls in this neighbourhood, and Mrs Extons girl is going away on Monday morning to Virginia, and I would be very glad to hear from you very much, and please tell me how Lucy James is getting on. So no more from your affectionate Martha Sinclair.

1880 Annual Peckham Report - Letter #1
Clinton, New Jersey, 12th, October 1879
"Dear Miss Rye, - I write you these few lines to let you know that I have not I hav not forgotten you yet, - you are still in my mind. I hope I will not forget you. I am at Mrs. E.'s now, I expect to stay with her for awhile yet. I hope you are keeping well. I heard that you had been to England for some more children- I hope you had a pleasant time in bringing them over, and I am sure you are doing good for the poor children of England, and I believe they get good homes as far as I can hear. I myself had a good home, though Mrs. E. was very strict. I will soon be eleven years in America. We are having some nice weather now. I would be very glad to hear from you; I would like to see you very much. I have been confirmed going on over four years, and am very glad- I belong to a very old church, called St. Thomas,
it is somewhere about 112 years. Mrs. and Miss E. are both very well. I send my love to you." -Very truly yours - Martha S.


The text was taken from this website of British Home Children in Canada (letters from Maria Rye children). (The Martha Sinclair text is 2/3rds of the way down in column 1).

http://canadianbritishhomechildren....letters.html

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Posted 06/29/2013   11:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure, Doug, that it is wrong terminology. I honestly do believe that there is a flexing of the old categories going on here, that reflects the tastes, preferences, and sense of a generation that is not comfortable with hard lines of distinction. There is a tendency in American culture today to blur the old lines, and I think we might be seeing that here.

I also know that talking about it makes peeps uncomfortable, kind of the way explaining a joke does. Sorry about doing that, but I am too fascinated to let it go. It is astounding to me that wt1 was able to supplement the story details with excerpts of a letter from the girl herself. Good job! The world of philately needs to be reconnected to the real world people who created the things we enjoy studying, and if our categories don't easily accommodate that, then let's re-vision the categories in some way so there is room. Postal History used to be about rates and routes. Looks like today it's getting bigger. How will the cell divide?
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Posted 06/29/2013   12:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that, by definition, postal history is the study and collection of covers that chronicle the movement of the mails.

However, being able to tie some of the who, what, and/or why to a particular cover's usage has great intrinsic value (at least to me) -- it provides one or more layers of meaning to a piece.

Fortunately, the digitization of vast amounts of information has enabled whatever it is that doing so might be called.

Is it time to expand the standard for eshibiting to include a little human interest?
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Posted 06/29/2013   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yakboomer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Doug, anytime you have an item as interesting as this, post it. I for one enjoy them.
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Posted 06/29/2013   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Shamelessly stolen from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_history

"Postal history is the study of postal systems and how they operate and, or, the study of postage stamps and covers and associated material illustrating historical episodes of postal systems. The term is attributed to Robson Lowe, a professional philatelist, stamp dealer and stamp auctioneer, who made the first organised study of the subject in the 1930s and described philatelists as "students of science", but postal historians as "students of humanity"."

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I rather like that last part about "student of humanity". I like covers and postal history as they tell stories and usually more than one story at a time too.
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Posted 06/29/2013   4:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Like people, covers tell stories. But in a study of postal history a cover is but a data point toward the telling of a larger story, just as a person might be a data point in a study of traffic flow. The Wikipedia article does a pretty good job of laying out the parameters of interest in postal history as it is usually understood (and applied in the judging of exhibits) but if you look at the categories for study given on that page, and compare it to the kind of story that got this thread started, the line of connection is not so clear. At least not to me. But I resonate to the sense that somewhere in philately there should be room to tell these kinds of stories. Telling them in a forum is one thing, but telling them competitively is another. Is competition the right kind of acid test for a classification of study? You tell me.
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Posted 06/29/2013   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since I have never exhibited, and probably never will, I'm not the right person to answer your question. When I sell on ebay, I use the "Postal History" category rather liberally, because it gets a lot of hits.
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Posted 06/29/2013   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is competition the right kind of acid test for a classification of study? You tell me.


With regard to a judged exhibit, one can do this kind of philatelic study within the scope of a Thematic exhibit.
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Posted 07/16/2013   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great cover!

"Postal history" or not, it is worthy of posting.
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