Yes, they are both precancels. Many cities, especially the larger ones like New York and Chicago, have dozens of different varieties of precancel imprints, some with significant differences; others with only subtle ones. All are collectible, although only a select few are likely to have more than nominal value.
yes...they are precancels. I am not very familiar with pcs....(i have seen plenty)...but I do not recall seeing the 8c type. Looks like just the frame borders are inked. Would love to know from someone familiar. thanks.
I posted a similar one quite awhile ago (on a 1-cent stamp of that series) and was told it was just as a result of poor inking (Type 204). Here's the link:
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