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$2 Jenny Souvenir Sheets Cut Off Usa/Canada Border

 
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Posted 09/29/2013   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampCat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I received my Jenny press sheet the other day. The top row of three souvenir sheets each has been cut so that the border between NY state and Canada is missing. The bottom three sheets show the border between NY and Canada. Anyone else have similar sheets?
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Posted 09/29/2013   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do the bottoms of the sheets in each row end in the same manner?
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Posted 09/29/2013   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampCat7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes the bottoms look fine. it all started when I decided to cut up one of the press sheets. To do so one has to determine where to cut and not having seen the single sheets I noticed the tops of the press sheet had cut away the border area between NY and Canada, the border showing in full on the bottom souvenir sheets.

As for the bottom sheet, one can see in the center of the press sheet the entire bottom by looking at the top souvenir sheet and seeing where the next one begins. So the bottoms are full.
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Edited by stampCat7 - 09/29/2013 11:55 am
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Posted 10/01/2013   04:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Riderontherain to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I received my sheet today and examined it carefully. The panes in the top row are of the exact same size as those in the bottom row. I think what is happening here is that the top panes have a smaller top "margin" (the distance between the banner "stamp collecting" and the top edge) than the bottom panes, but the bottom panes have a smaller bottom "margin" (the distance between the banner "inverted jenny" and the bottom edge) than the top panes.

If individual panes are cut from a press sheet, one would indeed end up with 2 varieties. This is quite interesting.
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Posted 10/03/2013   03:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampCat7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i have been looking at the scans of this issue to see if some of these are cut in the same way. I think my press sheet was just trimmed a bit low at the top and the line of ny state and about 1-2 mm above has been sliced off. It is not an error just the fact they trimmed away too much when the press sheets were trimmed for the public. I would rather have the post office sell press sheets as they actually come off the press, with all the markings. Unfortunately for collectors, they are trimmed down before sale.
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Posted 10/03/2013   05:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Riderontherain to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone confirm whether the Inverted Jenny panes with die cuts have the same characteristics as those without die cuts? My 2 die cut panes (one cancelled and the other not cancelled) both have the US/Canada border trimmed off.
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Posted 10/03/2013   06:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampCat7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
they are exactly the same, from same printing just without die cutting
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Posted 10/23/2013   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Riderontherain to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Has anyone bought a single pane (not press sheet) of jenny with die cuts that has the US/Canada border intact? All my numerous panes have the border sliced off.
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Posted 10/23/2013   10:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yakboomer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You mean like this?

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Posted 10/24/2013   03:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Riderontherain to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, yakboomer. All my single panes look like that, with the border sliced off. The only panes I've seen with the border intact are from the press sheets.
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Posted 10/24/2013   10:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampCat7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
well there is a new variety to look for in the souvenir sheets. I bought my first single sheet yesterday looking for the lottery (1-100 panes) and when I opened it the top of NY state was cut off. There must be some single panes that will show the full NY border.
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Posted 10/24/2013   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eligies to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
looking at my sheet (having the outline of the NY-Canada border) now I see what's going on. 1st do you have Vermont's westerly border missing as well? Note that this is just a positioning -placement of the sheet in the cutter and really intrinsic. Note that the map compass in the lower right is above the bottom edge by a considerable space as well as the Inverted Jenny banner. My sheet has both the compass & banner 2-lines up from the bottom edge. The illustration on yakboomer is at least 10+ lines up. I think this is insignificant in the whole scheme. I'll almost bet that if you match the bottom of one with the top of the other you will find the border.
or it could be the way the actual plate was cut??



notice the bottom edge
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Edited by eligies - 10/24/2013 1:36 pm
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Posted 10/24/2013   8:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Riderontherain to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you read the original post, and my subsequent post in response to that original post, you will see that, at least from the perspective of the imperf press sheet, the top panes and the bottom panes are different from the SAME press sheet. So this difference is more than simply stemming from the cutting position.
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Posted 10/24/2013   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eligies to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I am understanding the issue ( which I think I don't now), the press sheet contains 6 stamp panes, the top 3 with NY-Canada border cut off and the bottom 3 with the NY-Canada Border shown???. that being the case wouldn't that be then be a result of how the actual printing plate was engraved? I think I need to go back to the original Linn's info box on this issue to see how the sheets were laid out during printing (panes per sheet)! Looking at the Linn 9/16, the press sheet has 9 panes per sheet, 3 rows of 3. The original sheet prior to cutting has 18 panes. To get the configuration noted the pre-cut sheet would have to be 6 rows of 3 & cut in 1/2???
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Edited by eligies - 10/24/2013 9:10 pm
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