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Could This Be A Japan Cancel On The 3c 1869 Pictorial?

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Posted 11/11/2013   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are no records, that I know of, of the handstamp you show appearing on a US stamp of the 1869 period.
The Hiogo, Japan cancellation, which is seen on some of the stamps of the 1869 issue, doesn't have a line across it.
It looks like this: http://www.siegelauctions.com/2012/1037/1665.jpg
The cancellation on your stamp adds no additional monetary value to the stamp. On the other hand, as it is not clear, it detracts, more than adds, to the value.
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Posted 11/11/2013   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PS = It is a very pretty stamp. Just this fascination with a smudge is probably not worth the effort.
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Posted 11/11/2013   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PPS - The Siegel database does not have an example of the 3c with the Hiogo cancellation on it listed in any of the past sales. They have auctions many of the great 1869 collections, so one would think that if there was such known, an example would have been in at least one of these collections.
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Posted 11/11/2013   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again. All these facts you have mentioned can give us a pretty clear conclusion that this 99,9% is NOT a Japan handstamp cancellation.
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Posted 11/11/2013   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raymodj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Chip that the cancel doesn't add value, but it seems unusual. It doesn't look like any US fancy cancels I've seen. If it was used as additional postage to another country, the cancel is not usually centered one one stamp. From what I've seen anyway. I have a lot to learn so I enjoy looking into something like this.

No answer for this one though... possibly foreign cancel.
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Posted 11/11/2013   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since I posted early in this discussion the title has been changed to JAPANESE cancel.....
I agree with chip...not a JAPAN cancel....100% sure, not 99.9%
Looks like a ordinary cancel that was smudged.
It is what it is...sorry.
A apple is a apple......a orange is a orange....
No matter how hard you try its not gonna change.
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Posted 11/11/2013   6:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
filipo.....give your assessment on why you think its a JAPANESE cancel???
Everyone else gave their opinion why it is not.
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Posted 11/12/2013   12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Prahanoaki to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks many people discussing about US post office postmarks in Japan without showing it so here is the complete list:


Hiogo postmarks


Yokohama and Nagasaki


Hakodate postmark famous for being misspelled "Hakodadi"
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Posted 11/12/2013   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Prahanoaki, thank you for your contribution of these scans, they don't appear in the Scott specialized and they are, of course, very useful

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