Scott 386 Line Pair ?

Same stamps in both scans.

I Agree same stamps both scans.

DuncanDoenitz & TinMan.....Dont know what scans you are looking at but there
is NO WAY these are the same 2 scans.

How about this 386 Line Pair currently up for auction at Golden Valley Stamp Auctions (which does not say it includes a certificate).

I didn't think they were but they sure look like the same stamps. Centering, perfs. They both look identical

@kevin504 For sure the first two scans in this thread are the same image, except that the second occurrence is cropped a bit more. But the spot of white positioned above the stamp UL and the capture of the "hand" image left, as well as the disposition of the stamp details in the corners and edges, are identical. The question is, was that unintentional?

In view of the identity of the two images, I'm wondering if I have seen the original image that caused such a strong negative response. I approach the question from the standpoint of what it would take to produce the fake. If the perfs are fake AND the edges are fake, what did they start with, an imperf pair? I admit this material is outside my comfort zone for comment, but something about the analysis isn't adding up for me.

ALL....I refreshed the page....the original poster had changed the 1st image.
Read the posts following it....
The line was a smudge, bottom perfs slanted upward from left
to right.
I was wondering how anyone could assume these were the same images (now I know)
Someone trying to deceive....

essayk...#384V....reperfed would make #386

Ah. So in view of the ready availability of the imperfs it is likely that they did start with an imperf pair or strip. Got it. Just noted the warning in the Specialized about that too.

You guys have good eyes.
As for the swap on the original pic - it just gets curiouser and curiouser. (Did he somehow overwrite the first file?)

essayk.....must have....the 1st photo was a crude fake.
When I read 2 post that the picture was the same.....I almost fell
out of the chair. They were night/day.

Here's a 386 pair from the upcoming Golden Oak sale (by Siegel) and it does have a cert:




To my eyes the perf holes in the center appear to wander a bit too, in relation to one another, but not so much in relation to the guide line. Is that overactive imagination on my part? (Probably)

essayk....So now I am confused? Were they the same stamps? Different scans or what?

essayk There's no doubt these are real and not forgeries.

TinMan.....Original poster posted something different in the FIRST post....
Since ongoing conversation that image has been changed to the 2nd image (now both
are the same).

I never saw the original pic, Tinman, but kevin504 swears there was a different pic in the first slot for a while, and I believe him. The strong reaction to the original pic was out of keeping with what I was seeing, so I figure that's probably what threw me off. Can't prove it by me though.

The only problem with that thought is that the first post has no note about having been edited. So how did he replace the first image? Also note that the first and second images differ in their cropping, so it isn't a simple overwrite. It is most curious.