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Face Lot Prices?

 
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Posted 12/15/2013   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 210Frankie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I buy lots of Face lots. Larger one's. Do you think that the previous auction from a large auction house should set the price?

For example. $12000 just sold for $5000+ Taxes+buyers premium+shipping etc.

Should this set the price when offering to purchase stamps.

I have been offering whatever the auction price was less the buyers and taxes. -10%. So 10% higher then they would have gotten. Is this a fair amount?

joe
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Posted 12/15/2013   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based on what I have seen lately (anyone feel free to correct me - but my experience is with Canadian stamps - perhaps US face is different), large lot face value tends to run around 40% these days. Again, that is for large lots (~$10000). The smaller the lot, the higher the % of face value.

Add to that the 10-15% buyer premium and taxes+shipping. The best a dealer (large lot buyer) can do is about 50 - 55% face.
Most dealers prefer to buy face direct from collectors for 40% (or less).

Eg. $10000 face sells for $4000 + $1300 (tax + premium + shipping) = $5300

If that is what the seller paid, then you would need to offer more for that seller to make a profit (unless you are buying direct from the auction house).

The auction house are guaranteed to make at least 10 - 15% profit regardless (most are 15% now).

Only
if the seller bought direct from a collector (and is not charging tax) would your offer make sense.
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Edited by 3Dadeo - 12/15/2013 12:05 pm
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Posted 12/24/2013   03:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 210Frankie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
40% wow. I have paid as high as 60% that was for 1960-1980 sheets. I feel bad to pay anything less then 50%. Since I make a good profit on them of I resell them. For example 1c 1967 sheet paid 60 cents sold for $12. Thats 20x the mark-up. Why are the stamp dealers not making more money. People are very unhappy when I tell them their stamps are less then face. And that $2000 Hingless Linder album is only worth $200 at the most. I notice Vance Auctions, Eastern Auctions getting very good prices for example specific series of stamps. That I paid 1/10th of. But then again lotting + overhead +everything else. Like advertising is expense. So people want these prices. But I show them the Maresh or another one. For example Modern stamps auctions I use as a price compare. I offer more then they would get most times. For example I have had offers on my stamps from both Eastern and Vance. And it was less then what I paid the person for his collection by about 20-30%. But right now there are more sellers then buyers and its getting much worse. Interesting that Maresh auction price was 36%+buyers +tax. So the seller got 28-29% of FV. So 40% would have been a better deal for them. In my 2002 Scotts City stamp was offering up to 70% of FV. Now in 2014 Unitrade its up to 50%. I just sold a bunch of Plate blocks to a large dealer for 70% of face. And the other sheets at 3x FV. I am seeing NZ and Australia FV at less then 20% in Auction and on ebay. I was thinking of posting an ad in the Newspaper to be offering to buy postage at 50%. Has anyone done this.
joe
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