More Local, Fake?

What are the chances these are real?


The Allan's seem to be of the era with yellowing gum. But, the color seems to orange.
The Husseys seems to clean. It does have the 4mm break in the lower frame line that is mentioned in my Scott's as being a reprint for J.W. Scott. Doesn't call it a forgery though.??

I didn't really look into the Hussy's but that Allen's I was able to dig up a little bit on-

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The following values exist
red on yellow
lilac
black

These stamps were issued in 1882 and are not very rare, because the remainders were sold to a stamp dealer. Even though these stamps have been forged (at least twice). A full description of these forgeries can be found in 'Focus on Forgeries' by Varro E. Tyler. The scythe handle should extend to the second thin shading line on the left, in one of the forgeries (the most dangerous one) it extends to fourth thin line. In the second forgery this handle extends all the way to the frameline. The genuine stamps are perforated 10, the forgeries 11 1/2, 11 or imperforate. The next stamp has a wrong perforation, so it must be a forgery:

At this site -
http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol1...uslocovw.htm
http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol1...unitelo2.htm

The hussy's - http://mailtransportsystems.wordpre...rier-stamps/

And my old post. I can't find my example this morning? - https://goscf.com/t/17750

A few more to read - http://www.cwtsociety.com/AOTM/199911.html

These will give you insight on how and why they was used and printed and will be valuable to your search.

http://www.pennypost.org/contents-2005.html

http://www.uspcs.org/carriers-local...ocal-stamps/

I_Love_Stamps, thanks. I pulled this from one of the links. Sure does complicate things.

Hussey decided to profit from the collecting community by offering his own stamps as well as reprints and forgeries. In many cases, he had printing runs that were small, such as 2000 copies of a stamp. So even though today we might think of Hussey forgeries and reprints as common, in fact some are not common at all. Scott prepared forgeries that were similar to the authentic stamps, but probably at first simply wanted to illustrate them in his articles and catalogs. For many of the so-called "cuts" or images in his albums and articles, he made close imitations of the original stamp.
It may not be a bad idea to hang on to your forgeries. For the most part, they are "antiques" in the sense they are over one hundred years old. In addition, some of them are quite scarce today

Looks like the Allen's might be a forgery from that era. The Husseys I'm still not clear on.

That's correct and this is more common than you might believe too. Just because something is a re-print don't mean it's worthless! It is also a completely different animal than a forgery which is an attempt to decieve the collector or postoffice or both in some cases. The tathem stamp company issued reprints of some confederate issues for their booklet/album and those are actually very collectable although not very valuable. And then there is the fantasy issues which are designed to mimic a known carrier, local post or one of the independent mail systems of the period. They was even made back then so even some of those can be quite hard to come by. But like with everything it's governed by supply and demand and although there is a small supply their may be also be a small demand and the value will reflect that (as well as condition, centering, margins, etc...) OK you probably get the jist of things by now. If not don't be afraid to ask! -Jeff

I_Love_Stamps, thanks again. This seems like in itself to be a very complicated area of collecting>

But like with everything it's governed by supply and demand and although there is a small supply their may be also be a small demand and the value will reflect that

I believe you said a mouth full right there!