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1851 1c Franklin Fake?

 
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Posted 02/27/2014   07:59 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Rileysan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This stamp came to me by way of a dealer at my club, the Oregon Stamp Society. He asked my opinion on it, and at first glance, it looks like the largest-margined 1c Franklin I have ever seen. Upon closer examination, I could see a lack of detail almost everywhere. This stamp was way off!

My conclusion was that it was a fake. He agreed, but was still curious. So I volunteered to scan it and post it here for the 1851 enthusiasts to comment on.

Does anyone recognize this as a know reprint or forgery? What do I have here?

Brian

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Posted 02/27/2014   08:26 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What you have is a #24 from the tenth vertical column, left pane. I would say left and top margins are added. Some of the design at top, left, and right has been painted in.
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Posted 02/27/2014   12:13 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the input! It certainly looks like a Type V Franklin with (poorly) drawn-in design.

I can tell you without question that the paper doesn't feel right - it's way too soft - so I wonder if it was rebacked and therefore all 4 margins were added?

Like I said, at first glance, this looked like an amazing stamp. If a collector didn't know that margins this size were impossible, they might be tempted to buy it. I'm glad that the dealer who owns this is honest!

Brian
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Posted 02/27/2014   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The left hand margin add is plainly obvious even in your picture. A quick soak would answer the rest of your questions; any chance the dealer would be up for this?
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Posted 02/27/2014   3:14 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I called my friend and he gave me the stamp to do with as I please. When I get home next week, I will soak it and see what happens.
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Posted 02/28/2014   09:24 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a foregone conclusion that this "jumbo" stamp has been created by adding margins and some design to a #24. I think you should leave it as it is for study or reference. It does no good to simply destroy it. Personally, I marvel at ones ability to make something like this and have the work go unnoticed by at least two people with the stamp in hand. I will buy the stamp from you if you don't want it.
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Posted 02/28/2014   12:09 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To avoid any appearance of impropriety, I will be happy to give this stamp to you free of charge. The dealer, Grant Williams, picked it up in a much larger lot he purchased at auction. It will be my pleasure to inform him that this stamp ended up in the hands of an 1851 expert & enthusiast for study purposes.

Brian
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Posted 02/28/2014   2:16 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Brian,

Like is said in my email, that is very generous. I don't think there would be anything wrong with selling the stamp. In my mind, everything has value of one kind or another.
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Posted 03/10/2014   8:48 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp arrived today and I was pretty much correct. The #24 stamp was sanded down and glued to a larger piece of paper creating the large top and left margins. Parts of the design at left, top, and right have been skillfully painted-in. Overall, it is a remarkable piece of work and I am glad to have it.
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Posted 03/11/2014   07:52 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am glad to have found a home for it! Enjoy!

Brian
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Posted 03/13/2014   11:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great gesture Brian and couldn't be in better hands. I am sure it will help educate others down the road. Amazing what was done to stamps even way back for whatever reason. I read even the Jenny centers were surgically removed inverted and re applied with incredible precision to create fakes.
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