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Any Plate ~ Proof Collectors Out There In Stampland?

 
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Posted 07/15/2014   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add disi123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Help to ID please... 220P2 ? 219DP2? 219DP2a?

Trying to make a purchase decision, here...
please offer some input as to which of the
3 it is... thank you... Randall

Seller has already confirmed stamp paper, Carmine...
not Lake, and not India...

Opinions?

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If you are referring to the imperforate pair illustrated, then you are not speaking about die proofs at all. That is a plate proof pair on stamp paper. If you are convinced the stamp color is carmine, not lake, then the pair is a 220P on stamp paper. I don't like the move to class these with the P4s, and so the number ought to be 220P5. But you will find them called everything from P4 to P6.

The important thing is that these cannot be die proofs, because die proofs were printed singly, one to an impression.
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Essayk... thank you kindly... I have made the
correction in the subject title... was rushing
to type it and mistakenly used the wrong terminology...

I, too, am not exactly happy about the constant
changes Scott makes in this category... quite
confusing from one issue to the next...

I own about 5 or 6 of the 219DP pairs and look
for deals on them all the time... I'm newly
interested in the "220P's"... starting with
this nice pair (if) the seller accepts my offer...

Thanks again...

Randall
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Quote:
Seller has already confirmed stamp paper, Carmine...
not Lake, and not India...

Opinions?


Stamp paper on this would either be on card or on India paper. Carmine & Lake are colors...

I believe you have a #220P4
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Posted 07/16/2014   12:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ILS... thank you for your input...

The new Scott numbers (grrrrr)
are 220P2 for paper and P3 for India...
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Plate proofs come on India paper and card stock, Catalog number should be followed by P3 for India, and P4 for card stock.
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Plate proofs come on India paper and card stock, Catalog number should be followed by P3 for India, and P4 for card stock.


Tell that to Scott...

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Stallzer has it right, which is the way Scott has it, and I see in the 2014 cat that Scott has reinstated the P5 designation for the plate proofs on stamp paper (imperfs). Hooray! Please note that for the designs of the 1890 small bank notes the P2 designation is for the Roosevelt small die proofs of 1903.
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Posted 07/16/2014   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great, now I have to go and update my 2009 Scott catalogs.
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Great, now I have to go and update my 2009 Scott catalogs.


That's the problem I had with my 2009...
so I finally broke down and picked up
a 2013... which (itself) needs to be
updated...
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Posted 07/16/2014   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
P.S. ... regarding the 220P5 (I guess)
pair I started this thread with...

As it turns out, the seller won't go
below $45... so I passed... it they
were on India, I would have jumped
on it...

If anyone here considers that a fair
price and is interested in them, let
me know, and I'll give you the seller's
info...
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Posted 07/17/2014   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it my eyes or my monitor that sees brown residue in the upper center of both ?
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I also see some discoloration in those areas.
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