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SC 220 Cap On 2 Revivited

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Posted 07/30/2014   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add littleriverphil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I read a post the other day that mentioned that there were several posts about "caps on 2s". I don't know how to search this site or I would have. As I recall, the caps on the 2 varieties are caused by relief breaks, which are progressive. With that in mind, is the stamp on the left showing an early relief break or is it dry inking, also notice the white dots in the right 2s of both stamps. Thoughs on those dots?. I'll also add scans of cap on left and cap on both for comparison.



















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Posted 07/30/2014   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Littleriverphil, just above your post is a bar with ten (10) different subjects. The eighth bar says 'search', and if you click on it a search box will appear. Just enter the word(s) you are looking for and you're set!
Also, I do not see any 'cap on 2' in your pictures, but that maybe because the pictures are too small at least for my display.

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Posted 07/30/2014   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I see that now. I sized the scans just large enough so that I could see the caps and dots mentioned, figuring that everyone else would be able to see them fine. Sorry. These any better? I'll add a strip of 3 with caps on all 6 2s.










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Edited by littleriverphil - 07/30/2014 4:28 pm
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Posted 07/30/2014   5:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the 4th thread on 220's with caps on just the first page. Certainly would be nice to merge them into 1 compendium of 220's with caps.
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Posted 07/30/2014   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love that 220c strip with the dated registry cancel. Deeeeeeelishious!

Wish I could help you on that first pic, but it's still way too small for me to see what you are trying to point out. For flyspecking, if you can get in there, the bigger the better.
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Posted 07/31/2014   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I've croped 'em and drawn blue arrows, full sized scans top one is the left stamp of first pair and the bottom is the right stamp. The arrows on the right of both scans point to the dots in the 2s that I mentioned. Cause?
Bottom scan
The second pair are used copies of a cap on left 2 and ( Left ) and caps on both 2s ( Right )




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Edited by littleriverphil - 07/31/2014 11:44 am
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Posted 08/01/2014   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the delay; it took me a while to find my copy of Morris.
Richard M Morris. The Two Cent Stamp of the Small Bank Note Issue of 1890: Exploring Relief Breaks, Papers, and Shades. Norfolk, MA: Pittsboro Philatelics, 2003.

According to Richard Morris, the "cap on left 2" variety is another name for the relief B, break A series. There are six stages to this break, and you are showing us stage 1 in the upper photo. That's it for anomalies in this relief, however, the similarity between the right numerals in the first two photos is of some interest. Morris lists 48 progressive breaks in relief C for this stamp. What you are showing in photo #2 appears to be one of the four stages of break F on relief C (stage 3 to my eye). However, this series of breaks is not associated with relief B, so its appearance in your photo number 1 is a bit surprising. You might want to try to track down the author and let him know what you found, or point to this thread.
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Posted 08/02/2014   12:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't you know that the current (August) issue of the you S Specialist just arrived for me today, and it has a brief article announcing Research Paper #22 from the United States Stamp Society (USSS) which is a census of the relief breaks on the 2c of 1890-93. The research paper will include illustrations of all stages for twenty different relief break types. The article mentions that relief break C has 118 stages, and includes a group of ten illustrations for ten stages of relief break E, one of which is labeled as stage 43. These are right numeral breaks, and a few of the pics look similar to the pics here.

You might want to give research paper #22 a look though when it finally is available.

Correction: it is available from the USSS at $12 for 33 pages hardcopy or $4 for a PDF download. They give the email for the coordinator, Frank Braithwaite, as fbraith@usstamps.org
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Edited by essayk - 08/02/2014 12:29 pm
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Posted 08/02/2014   12:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220a-220c-R...em2c72236dca

*This* is interesting...

#220a / #220c RARE COMBO BLOCK CAP ON BOTH 2's / CAP ON LEFT 2 MINT OG

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Edited by disi123 - 08/02/2014 12:58 pm
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When Bill Langs thinks something is very rare or unique his pricing gets out of control. Chances are he only has a couple hundred into the block in the first place, but that is a dead guess. $4K is way over the top for this.
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Posted 08/02/2014   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh... (this) we know...

Pricing aside, great block...
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Posted 08/02/2014   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
essay... does that article possibly
show the following as a relief break
in the illustrations?

The lower portion of the 'blotch' in the right hand
'2' (if you'd care to refer to it as that) sort of
looks like an upside down cap...


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Edited by disi123 - 08/02/2014 5:41 pm
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Posted 08/02/2014   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it does show this relief break.
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Edited by Al E. Gator - 08/02/2014 7:56 pm
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Posted 08/02/2014   8:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent... since no information had come
up on this up until now, I thought all I had
was a random ink smear... thanks...
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Edited by disi123 - 08/02/2014 8:07 pm
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Posted 08/19/2014   10:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was going through a shoe box of some old covers. I found "my" cap on right two. lol.
I know it's extra ink not a cap. But it's fun to take a look.



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Edited by stampcrow - 08/19/2014 10:31 pm
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I hope folks don't mind re-visiting this thread. But this is a perfect example of me gaining knowledge through participation in this forum.

With this thread in particular, it is the relief break that disi123 posted. Today I came across this one. Because of this thread, the stamp will be placed properly in a deserving spot. Unfortunately, the precious owner didn't treat it as well. Note the creases. Someone used plastic baseball card sleeves to jam bunches of stamps into. Not great...



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Edited by stampcrow - 08/30/2015 7:36 pm
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