Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

How Do You Tell The Difference Between Scott 179 And 181?

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 11 / Views: 8,004Next Topic  
Valued Member

Canada
108 Posts
Posted 07/30/2014   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ErrorsRock to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The catalogue says the Scott 179 is on yellowish wove paper and the 181 is on Hard white wove paper without gum. The paper on this stamp looks very white, any possibility it is a Scott 181?





Send note to Staff

Pillar Of The Community
United States
3166 Posts
Posted 07/30/2014   4:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not very probable that its Sc 181, the Special Printing. Very few of that special printing were sold to the public as the stamps were then in circulation. The special printing was for the Centennial Exposition of 1876. Continental BN Co. had just begun printing Sc 179 in June of 1875. All of that said, there is a slim chance that it is 181, you'd need to get it certified to be sure, have never read of one used, but that doesn't mean someone didn't use one.
Notice where I drew a box around what looks like a possible double transfer.


Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by littleriverphil - 07/30/2014 5:13 pm
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1942 Posts
Posted 07/30/2014   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The departmental stamps (officials) on hard paper overprinted SPECIMEN are special printings produced at the same time as the other reprints. reissues, and special printings in 1875. Get yourself an example of one of those and you will have a sample of the hard, white, paper of the special printings to compare. When they look REALLY close, then send in your suspected copy. However, note this, except for the 3c and 24c values the Bank Note Special Printings are not listed used because they are not known used. You will have a steep uphill battle trying to get a used stamp certified.

I should also have mentioned a caveat: some of the departmental special printings were done on a particular kind of horizontally ribbed paper. I have one for the 1c Justice dept. Don't use those as touchstone examples. The US Specialized will give you a complete roster of issues known on this paper.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by essayk - 07/30/2014 6:24 pm
Valued Member
Canada
108 Posts
Posted 07/30/2014   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ErrorsRock to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought the area you highlighted was just a kiss print. Here is a closer view.



Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Canada
108 Posts
Posted 07/30/2014   11:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ErrorsRock to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe just old ink?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
644 Posts
Posted 07/30/2014   11:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not a 181, the impression isn't right for one. Plus, 10 181s exist, 9 of which are privately held.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
3166 Posts
Posted 07/31/2014   12:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I knew that there were not many sold to the public, but 10! Yeah, pretty sure it's not Sc 181! What essayk said about the departmental specimen stamps is true for the first printing of the specimens, but the 1 cent Agriculture, Executive, Navy, and State specimens had a second printing and those are on ribbed paper. There are also three other printings. The American BN Co printed 5000 each of the 1 cent Executive and the 1 cent Navy, they are on soft paper. The 4th printing consists of one stamp, the 1 cent State, also by the American BN CO, on a soft thinner and silker paper than the typical American paper. The 5th printing by American BN Co consisted of 5000 each of the 1c Agriculture and the 1c Executive, but the quanities on hand proved to be enough to meet the demand and these were destroyed.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by littleriverphil - 07/31/2014 12:31 pm
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1271 Posts
Posted 07/31/2014   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
billw2, could you please go into some detail about your comment on the impression--would be a good learning experience I believe. Scans/photos would be appreciated too if available.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1942 Posts
Posted 07/31/2014   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's not confuse the issue with too much data. The original question was about paper for a special printing. My recommendation to use a hard paper Departmental specimen overprint as a touchstone for the paper still stands. I was careful to point out the existence of ribbed paper as something to set aside, and littleriverphil has kindly referenced that for the second printing. So it comes down to the printing on hard paper, and those stamps are readily available.

billw2 has mentioned the problems with impression if one is looking at this as a Special Printing, and I concur with that 100%. Look at the poor quality of the lines in the closeup above, particularly the vertical shading lines in the background shield, and you can see the problem. The SP sheets were done as low production on special paper for a proof-like quality. The don't look like this one.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Canada
108 Posts
Posted 07/31/2014   7:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ErrorsRock to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So what is your opinion on the splotched lettering on the upper right corner?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Canada
108 Posts
Posted 11/14/2015   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ErrorsRock to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this looks like a rusted plate flaw.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Canada
108 Posts
Posted 11/14/2015   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ErrorsRock to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DBL transfer or plate flaw, opinions please.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
  Previous TopicReplies: 11 / Views: 8,004Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.32 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05