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Jersey Shore, PA Promise To Pay Document

 
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Posted 09/04/2014   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This morning while browsing an auction I ran across something odd. I found a hometown related item from 1859 with some prominent figures from Jersey Shore, Pa. on a Promise to pay document for a large sum of money. I think I know what it was for but a little more investigation will be necessary to confirm it. Here is the sellers image of this document. I like how there is an Indian on the left border to sort of hint at the idea of a revenue stamp. Anyway I thought this sort of neat and that you may like to see it. -Jeff



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Old 1859 - JERSEY SHORE - PA. - Promise to Pay Document - RAMSEY.
SIZE: Measures about 6 1/8" x 9 3/4"
CONDITION: Overall Very Good - with original folds
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Posted 09/04/2014   10:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's neat too, Jeff. In law, the document would be called a promissory note. A few years later, it WOULD have required a revenue stamp. Let us know what you find out from your research. I'm guessing a land purchase.
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Posted 09/04/2014   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting to note that Samuel Humes, the namesake of the company "Samuel Humes & Son" who issued the Promissory Note, had died about one month before the Note was issued. Not unusual, I guess, since the company (financial institution) was probably in business for sometime thereafter. It appears Hamilton B. Humes was Samuel Humes' son and probably inherited the firm after his father's death.

Another curious thing is that the date on the Promissory Note (April 30, 1859) was a Saturday.

Finally, the exact amount of the Note is also interesting: $2198.07 seems like quite an odd amount. (Maybe it was the net amount due after compounding interest, etc.). In any event, $2198.07 in 1859 is equivalent to about $56,188 in today's dollars. Not a small amount that far back, so it probably had to do with the purchase of property and/or a business.

It would appear as though John Ramsey and Thomas Ramsey were brothers and were in the saw mill business in the area, which could help to further explain things.
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There are a few large structures n a little town called Ramsey village on the way up Pine Creek and the Ramsey Bridge (Rail Road bridge). I suspect the loan was to either build the bridge or to expand the mill. I, however cannot be sure which and probably will never know. The place where I thought I could find info told me most of those records was destroyed by a fire related to the 1936 flood in that area. Thank you for that information wt1 as it will be very helpful. Those bank checks I showed in another thread awhile back was from Samuel Humes also but they was his sons obviously as the checks was post 1861. Again, Thank You!
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Posted 09/05/2014   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One other detail is that there was an operating post office in the small town of "Ramseyville (Lycoming County), PA". According to Jim Forte's Postal History website, it was in operation from 1889-1915. The Postal Bulletin for May 25, 1915 suggests that when the post office was discontinued, mail was redirected to Jersey Shore. Could the Ramsey brothers noted in the original Promissory Note be the namesakes of that old post office? More research would be needed, I suppose.

The location of the former Ramseyville Post Office is shown here based on an area map of 1892:

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Posted 09/05/2014   09:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes they are one and the same wt1. That's a neat map!
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Also, Ramsey (probably these guys' Father) was a wagonmaster for Washington, he was giving the land in pinecreek for his services. They were the first to operate a water powered sawmill on the creek.
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Here is a better image. I just received it yesterday so I scanned it @ 300 d.p.i.



Two checks from this bank from a few years later-





And a letter from Samuel Humes of the same period as the document requesting tobacco and other merchandise for his mercantile store. Banker and store owner; wow his guy was busy!



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Posted 10/28/2014   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Has anyone noticed that on that Promise to Pay document on the lower right hand corner there is a little circular scribble or doodle but look a little more closely once -do you see it? Someone penned in the word "seal"
ha-ha.
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I just noticed the James Nice signatures on those bank checks apply to another part of my collection...more research to come.
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Regarding the handwritten "seal," for a long period of time the law required certain documents to be signed and sealed to be valid. The idea was that even if someone forged your signature, they were unlikely to possess your signet ring, required to make your unique wax seal, as you were that ring all the time. Over time, this requirement became archaic, and courts would accept a facsimile seal of this type. They were used for at least several decades and some documents today even include a space for them. Eventually the seal requirement was abandoned or written out of the law in most places.

Regarding the Saturday signing date, it should be kept in mind that the modern concept of the weekend is relatively new. At the time of this document, almost everyone worked six days a week, and those in unskilled jobs often worked seven. So, for people in the mercantile class, concluding a transaction on Saturday would not have been unusual. The document could be read to prove that for these people, in 1859 there were no weekends.

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These days the seal has generally been replaced by the notary signature and stamp on documents (such as deeds) that still require that sort of thing.

Geez, on this board I should have thought to mention that "stamp" refers to the notary public's rubber stamp.
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