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Posted 02/04/2015   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add JessEm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Another recent thread on the subject of #544 spurred me to look through a few of my own things. Is there a quick way by looking at these pictures someone can rule out the one on the left? Thanks in advance for looking.





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Posted 02/04/2015   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thomasblr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Buy a perf gauge,that will help,speculating Scott is a time waste.
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Posted 02/04/2015   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"1924 International Air Races" is an interesting caption on the left card. What is on the view side?
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Posted 02/04/2015   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the stamp on the left is a perf 10 Scott 543.

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Posted 02/04/2015   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I Brake For Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it has a single line watermark, it could be US #424.

If it is flat plate press rather than rotary it is a #462.


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Posted 02/04/2015   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JessEm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Buy a perf gauge,that will help,speculating Scott is a time waste.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement but this is the perf gauge I'm rolling with. Don't laugh. Assuming it's the same age as the album it was housed in, it's from 1910. Actually, I like old things, but I say don't laugh because I'm not sure how practical it is by todays standards.

On a side note, when counting perfs, do you count the 'inside', or cavity, of the perf along the horizontal (top & bottom) of the stamp?




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"1924 International Air Races" is an interesting caption on the left card. What is on the view side?


Per request. It says Curtiss Racing Plane.




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the stamp on the left is a perf 10 Scott 543.

Clark


I thought the 544 is also a perf 10? Or maybe I need to learn how to count perfs? (seriously)


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If it has a single line watermark, it could be US #424.

If it is flat plate press rather than rotary it is a #462.


This is way over my head.
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Posted 02/04/2015   8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If it has a single line watermark, it could be US #424.


Too many posts starting with "if". Look at the stamp. Compare color and appearance with the other two. No flat plate stamp would look like that. While it is true that differences in appearance between flat plate and rotary stamps may be more subtle for 1 cent stamps, most stamps can be immediately be placed in a rotary or flat plate pile based on appearance. In a pile of mixed 1 cent stamps, rotary press stamps will immediately stand out. An occasional dry print of a flat plate stamp may slip into the rotary pile, but size will give it away.

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Posted 02/04/2015   8:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I thought the 544 is also a perf 10? Or maybe I need to learn how to count perfs? (seriously)
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In today's catalogs, 544 is the rare perf 11 variety made with flat plate perforators sheet waste left over from printing the perf 10 rotary press sheet stamp. If you catalog predates World War II, don't rely on it for correct Scott numbers.

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Posted 02/04/2015   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Clark is, of course, 100% correct. A quick way to immediately identify that stamp as rotary or flat is that on most/many rotary-printed stamps of this period, there is a "streaking" effect, where you can clearly see traces of ink, especially in the white areas of the stamp. This is caused I believe, by imperfectly-wiped plates. And you can easily see the streaking on that #543 stamp. Flat plate stamps NEVER show this element. Conversely, flat plate stamps (off cover) can usually easily be identified by turning the stamp over and you will see ink set-off on the back, something rarely, if ever, seen on rotary stamps.
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Posted 02/04/2015   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great postcard. It's interesting that it actually reads Curtis not Curtiss...? I assumed it was a plane built by Curtiss Aeroplane and Motor Company. Then I noticed the Curtis. Hmmm
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Posted 02/05/2015   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JessEm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Great postcard. It's interesting that it actually reads Curtis not Curtiss...? I assumed it was a plane built by Curtiss Aeroplane and Motor Company. Then I noticed the Curtis. Hmmm


Yes, Once the letters on the tail hit the black they completely disappear... I suppose it's possible the person producing this postcard faced the same problem and, in haste and without knowing better, wrote Curtis.

Or maybe it's a different outfit all together. But probably not likely.
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Posted 02/05/2015   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JessEm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here I fixed it. Now it's worth more. A lot more.

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Posted 02/05/2015   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Inverted Curtis Jenny
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Posted 02/05/2015   12:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great stuff JessEm!
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Posted 02/05/2015   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhett to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But is it an invert or an unvert? LOL!!
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Posted 02/06/2015   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JessEm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Haha glad you guys liked that. I'll be here all week.

Ok, let's see if I have this straight. The 544 is a flat plate stamp, and the consensus is, the stamp in question was done on a rotary? Is that correct? Thanks for your patience with me.
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