Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

One More 216 For The Books

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 2,770Next Topic  
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1942 Posts
Posted 06/05/2015   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add essayk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Ah, 'tis late Spring and we're running out of doors. Time to tend to lawn and garden, and general cleanup. So, in the lull I thought maybe I could get away with putting this out there.

Those of you who know how to use the Siegel website "Power Search" feature may wish to bring up the results for a search on Scott number 216. Those of you who don't know how to use it, now's a good time to learn it, but hopefully the images here will allow you to get around what you don't know. I will try to give you a link that will help, but if it doesn't work, you are on your own.

http://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd.p...lledfrom=lkp br /

Not everyone enjoys stamp stories, but here goes

Not long ago we had a thread on the breaking of rare multiples for profit. Because of a recent purchase on ebay I'd like to add an item to that discussion. I bought this stamp on ebay about a week ago, and yesterday it arrived.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261904303907




I was very pleased to get it at my price. When I opened the package I found that the seller had also sent a color photocopy of a PF certificate for a strip of three from which it was taken. I recognized the strip:




This had been in the William Fekete collection, sold by Siegel last October, as lot 395 sale 1082. The strip has some very interesting features but only realized $450 against a catalog value of $1150. At first it just looks like a busted up plate number strip, which it is. But this strip was ripe for further breaking, and it now is broken up altogether. As the cert notes, the two stamps on the right are "previously hinged" while the stamp on the left is NH. But the left stamp has some blind perfs between the stamp and the selvage, which is mentioned in the cert. The stamp on the right has a plate scratch not mentioned in the cert but mentioned in the auction description. What is not mentioned by either is that someone had called attention to that line by scribing a marker and the word "line" in the selvage. We will come back to that.

What first surprised me is that this strip had a PF cert at all. I saw that the ebay seller was the buyer of the strip from the auction and had submitted it for a cert. Then I noticed the date on the cert, which was barely 20 days after the date it had been in the Siegel sale. Not only had the seller submitted the strip, but had anted up for expedited service. That meant his tally for the strip amounted to the hammer price plus house surcharge plus 5% of cat for the cert plus 20% for expedited turnaround; a total of $586.50. So his outlay for each stamp was almost $196, but he had accepted my purchase offer for way less than that for the single I bought. Whatever he was seeing in this strip it wasn't in the stamp I bought. That got my attention. What was he after? Was it the single with the line in it or the nh single at the other end?

I decided to take a look at what this stamp was doing at auction, and the Siegel search tool came to my aid. Seven months earlier in March 2014 Siegel had sold a stamp which is very similar to the one I just bought, but in a much higher grade of centering and with never hinged original gum. Here's its pic.



That stamp realized $1200. Was that difference due to the centering or the fact that it is nh, or perhaps the combination of the two?

Centering can certainly have a profound effect. Just two weeks after the Fekete sale, in a sale of part of the Curtis Collection, Siegel sold a premium used single for $275 against a cat of $17:




On the other hand, here is the picture of a stamp Siegel sold a month later:



Although that stamp is every bit the equal of the imprint single, it has a tab reinforcing some perfs and so is hr (hinge remnant) not nh. It realized $275 against a cat of $225. Still better than cat but hardly a premium item.

It was starting to look like the nh factor was the key, but two months after the Fekete sale Siegel sold this nh stamp:



Against a cat of $700 for nh it only realized 550, despite better centering than the stamp on the left in the strip of 3. So it appears that for mint stamps the nh and centering factors combine. Which means that for the stamp on the left in this strip the magic wasn't there.

So then, the stamp on the right end of the strip must have been the key. Was the magic in that scratch?

That plate scratch is a known flaw for position 6 in the right pane of plate K537, but apparently not for its entire period of use. This scratch is known on other examples of 216, but although this plate was also used for late printings of 205 so far the scratch has not been found on those stamps. This strip of the 5c SAMPLE overprint, which was only printed in 1889, and not from old stock, also shows the scratch on the stamp farthest to the right, on a line with the "T" of NOTE:




Want a closer look?

It just so happens that in their rarities sale last June, Siegel sold a Garfield blue that was the first to rate a superb 98 jumbo, and it also happened to have the scratch:



Against a catalog of $700 that stamp realized $12000.
Was that because of the scratch?
or because it was the first, and only, to grade that high?
on that day.

One thing that came out of this foray into auction realizations for me was the confirmation of an old adage that the value of a stamp is really whatever someone will pay for it, with the corollary that a stamp's realization at auction is more about who is doing the bidding in a particular sale on a particular day than it is about any theoretical book value. Another day, a different dollar.

N'est-ce Pas?
Send note to Staff
Edited by essayk - 06/05/2015 09:20 am

Pillar Of The Community
1151 Posts
Posted 06/05/2015   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
essayk, the background story on stamps to me is even more interesting than the stamps themselves!

The chase for a special stamp I want is a lot of fun, more fun than the capture sometimes, but really fun and interesting if I get the background story on the stamp.

Well done on your posting.

Top Drawer

Cheers

David (Stampmaster)
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2953 Posts
Posted 06/05/2015   09:58 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
essayk, the background story on stamps to me is even more interesting than the stamps themselves!


Agreed! Thank you for the intereting story and background on this stamp. Great work!
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Brian Riley
APS 223349
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1942 Posts
Posted 06/05/2015   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback. Here's a challenge.

I just got off the phone with the seller, and had asked him what he was most interested in about this strip. He had no problem telling me.

What do you suppose his answer was?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by essayk - 06/05/2015 10:48 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
3169 Posts
Posted 06/05/2015   11:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The shifted doubled imprint? Although he sold part of that to you.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by littleriverphil - 06/05/2015 11:38 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1942 Posts
Posted 06/06/2015   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Time to deal with the question I had raised and share the seller's response. I found out that in my imagination I had it all wrong.

The plate scratch did not even come up on the radar for him. He dismissed the scratch as an ink "smear" until I pointed out that it is a consistent variety. He was not familiar with the variety and was not even able to account for the whereabouts of the plate scratch single. He does not recall selling it, certainly not on ebay, but cannot find it in present inventory. He does not know if it still has its part imprint tab.

The nh stamp was what got his main attention. He expected that for a certified example he could get a higher percentage of catalog and come out ahead. This stamp has been altered and is listed on his website:
792 ** 216 Nearly VF OG NH, post office fresh as I just took this from a strip/3 (left stamp). Three large margins with no gum bends or skips. (Scott $700) w/2014 PF Certificate (original cert for strip/3) $450

He did some work on it and the left stamp from the strip now looks like this:



Why go for a cert? He is in the business of selling material, the sooner the better, and the strip gave him a "three-fer" With a single cert he could give confidence to three potential buyers. Most importantly he could assure that the nh is really never hinged.

And that is the story from the chop-shop as far as I know it.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1017 Posts
Posted 06/06/2015   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Too bad. Now when I look at it I just say reperfed and go on to the next one. Seems like you got the best deal out of the whole thing.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2943 Posts
Posted 06/06/2015   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great thread! Cool story.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1942 Posts
Posted 06/07/2015   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not reperfed, billsey, he just picked out the "chads." Blind perfs are not imperf, but rather cut with the cutout still in it. That was the only "work" I think he put into it.

Of course, I would have preferred he had left the tab on it too, but I had a chance to buy the strip and let it go, so who am I to complain? But it does remind me that I cannot assume unusual items are going to get the treatment they deserve. I'll save what I can, and hope others will too.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1017 Posts
Posted 06/07/2015   4:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks to me like it was more than pulling out the chads. Notice how those perf holes are higher than the rest? And the leftmost hole is squeezed into the next one a bit.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
  Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 2,770Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 1.2 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05