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Posted 07/18/2015   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Al E. Gator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I hope the buyer follows the sellers procedure for getting a cert.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/33160409733...RK:MEBIDX:IT
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Posted 07/18/2015   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Used. Fresh. Very Fine and CHOICE appearing. Has nice wide margins but, since it is not certified, it is sold strictly "as is"..


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Posted 07/18/2015   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Crouse27 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The dealer answered that it measures 21 x 24 mm. Does that meet the criteria for Scott 315?

Either way, I am surprised this particular dealer won't stand behind the item and it is up to $162.
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Posted 07/18/2015   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Crouse27 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The dealer advertises his Swedish tiger medals of integrity. However, he also cites his APS membership and provides his number. Even saying an "as is" description isn't he violating APS membership agreement/ethics if stamp is not genuine? Would buyer be able to take recourse through the APS?
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Posted 07/18/2015   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It will not certify with less than 21.5x25mm measurement. He's selling it "as is". He does have a policy for sending an item for a cert. if you read his fine print and act fast.
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Posted 07/18/2015   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He's a little cavalier about his negative feedbacks in the past year.
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Posted 07/18/2015   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love when people use the weasel words "as is" when they are selling a stamp or cover --- what a big RED FLAG!!
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Posted 07/18/2015   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add d307menace to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have purchased many items from Mr. Goldstein. He is a dealer of integrity in my opinion. I believe he is on the fence about the item. I am under the impression that he unable to prove it is a trimmed 304, but not quite enough margin to be absolutely certain that it is a 315. That is why it is sold as is and expecting a smaller realization than if he had sent it off and received an inconclusive cert.. He appears to be passing along the gamble he took onto someone else. I don't believe he is intentionally trying to deceive anyone, but this goes back to the buyer beware / seller responsibility debate issue. Is he legally obligated to obtain a cert. just because he has the APS membership, or is his reasonable opinion, added to the fact that he will stand behind his guarantee, that ebay and PayPal will help enforce, standard enough to not bring his APS standing into question?
An honest question, not trying to start any fights.
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Posted 07/18/2015   10:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO... Goldstein likely knows it's a trimmed 304... else he would
send it for a cert and try to sell it for a higher price...

Or... perhaps he acquired it with a bad cert currently residing in
the vertical file...
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Posted 07/18/2015   11:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If anyone would like to ogle (and perhaps drool a little)
viewing some amazing REAL 315's... here's what's on ebay right now...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...&_sacat=3461
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Posted 07/18/2015   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have contacted Gary and asked him to remove it. If it isn't big enough that any expert service would certify it - it's not - than selling "AS IS" is not the ethical way to handle such a stamp. The "ethical" way is to not sell it at all once you become aware of it's correct status. And it's correct status is that it is uncertifyable. I *do* also consider Gary to be an honest person, but in this case, I think he's wrong and I hope he "does the right thing" and pull it.
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Posted 07/19/2015   12:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would firmly second the opinions of others in this thread that this is a seller with integrity. You might notice that he even lists the StampSmarter site in his advertisement.
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Posted 07/19/2015   12:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The really amazing thing is to have a chance to look at a USED pair. A very nice thing to see at an auction viewing, even if one can't afford it.
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Posted 07/19/2015   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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He appears to be passing along the gamble he took onto someone else. I don't believe he is intentionally trying to deceive anyone



A dealer does not send EVERY questionable item in for
a cert...
or...every JUMBO/high cv item.


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Posted 07/19/2015   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I posed the original question about the size of the stamp to the seller. He has posted that question and his answer in the listing. What he did not post was my comments to his answer and his follow-up to that. My comments were: "Gary, thanks for answering. It will never get a cert. with less than a 21.5mm x 25mm measurement. You should include the measurement in your description to be clear about it. You wouldn't want someone buying thinking it might get a cert."
His answer was: "Thanks for the note. I will include your question in my addendum." He's well aware that the stamp will not cert.
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Posted 07/19/2015   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Such a dealer of integrity... ugh. Disgusting.
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