Nice Ebay Find- Triple Transfer/Invert Transfer

Found this with a lot of 6 imperf 1c 1851's on Noble Spirit-- I normally wouldn't ever look at their stuff, but saw this one, and happy I did.

It is 71L1L....first stamp on the 7th row on the left side of Plate 1 in the late state-- all stamps had recuts made in either the top oval curve or the bottom, or both. Many double transfers on this Plate 1L, and this position, along with one other, is a triple transfer, and also there are traces of marks from the original, inverted entry. Pretty nice stamp:


It's a 4800 dpi scan, and if you want to take a look at the particulars, here is a link to Richard Doporto's Franklin Plating Archive site:
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...inFrame.html

Stamps in the lot were described as #7's and #9's, but I'm sure that another one is not-- there is one that is definitely Type IIIa, but it's so thin side to side, that I'm betting that it's a trimmed #22, and not an 8A. I would think that it could only be expertized as a trimmed #22. Here is the lot, if you're interested: 381365465623

The Type IIIa is the stamp in the middle of the bottom. It's a "B" relief, from the 2nd row of Plate 4, I think....Winston, maybe you could let me know differently-- since I'm a real novice with those plates......

Enjoy, Ray

Good catch Ray! Can't wait to see it up close and personal.

Noblespirit did a nice job of showing these stamps, especially the dipping.

Ray, I agree with everything you say on the Type IIIa stamp. As far as certifying the stamp goes, a stamp with margins as such should never be certified as a genuine imperf.

Here is one #7 I am selling take a look its a great stamp

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOW-USA-FRA...STRK:MESE:IT

Awesome acquisition and a great link ray.mac.

Regards,
Stampalotapus

Duncan, I can see a definite recut on the bottom curved line on your stamp. It is a Type IV, #9, not #7. I can't see the top well enough to see if it's recut or not. If it's not recut on top, it can only be top row of Plate 1 Late, #9.

You might want to change your description......thanks, Ray

Thanks Ray for the help this is maybe a lower catalog value then? My 2012 says Type IV, #9 cv $120. Has this changed in the current cat? I can't edit the title but would like an opinion on the catalog value on cover so I can add a note to the listing before it ends.

Since you cannot edit the listing you should remove it. I can't help you with current Scott catalog value of the stamp but if you are going to sell us classics then you should be accurate on the listing and the value.

I have ended the listing and will re do it with the correct stamp number. I see several Type IV, #9 on ebay with CV anywhere from $100 - $160. But hardly any on a cover.

I think duncanvr actually had it right. I think it is a Plate 1E stamp and is probably an 1851 or '52 use. Are there any dates on the item?

No dates sadly, don't tell me I ended the listing for no reason Can we confirm if it is #7 Plate 1E or #9 Type IV? Note it actually came to me as a #7, Ray says its a #9 Type IV. Its now on buy it now as #9 Type IV so I can change the listing as long as it does not sell over night

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-FRANKLI...STRK:MESE:IT

Wow. Hope I haven't caused a problem here. I can see a recut on the bottom line of the stamp, or what looks like a recut....but it also doesn't look like either an EC or an EE type.

Duncan, if I did cause a problem, I'm really, really sorry. I can probably send you something to down under land to make up for my causing you any inconvenience.

But, I'd really like to know if that line is a recut line or not, and Winston's reasoning as to why it's a Plate 1E stamp. Not doubting it at all, and I have nothing but great things to say about Winston. Hope I can use this as a learning lesson.

Sorry again, so much....Ray

Hi Ray not to worry I have now changed it back to #7. No need to send me an inverted Jenny original downunder for any any inconvenience ha ha ha. I am not familiar with a #7 plate 1e. I know there are type 1 & type 2. How many plates are there for a #7? Is this a Type 1 if it is circa 1851? Here is a scan of the stamp

Duncan the type II, #7, imperf stamp can come from plate 1 early, plate 2, plate 3 (rare), Plate 4 (rare, top line only) and from only one out of 200 positions on plate 1 late (rare, 4R1L).

The Type II perf 15, #20, comes from only 1 Late (rare), Plate 2, Plate 4 (rare, top only), and then also on the later perf 15 plates, 11 and 12.

Hope this is helpful, and sorry again...Ray

Thanks Ray so 100% TYPE II plate 1E?