Scott #10 Or #11?

typ II


typ I

The first stamp appears to be a late-printing Scott #11A. The lack of detail from the worn die is quite evident.

Hopefully one of the more knowledgeable guys will chime in on the other stamp. It seems that nowadays, without a full plating and a cert to the contrary, every Type A10 is a Scott #11.

thanks @kollectorkurt, how I can check the plate position or who can to find the plate position?

Your first stamp is an #11A, probably printed in ca. 1855. The poor impression is not the result of plate wear but rather a dirty plate, an over-inked plate, or some combination of several contributing factors. 1855 printings were on the average, notoriously poor.

Your second stamp is an #11 from Plate 6 or 7. The color looks to be brownish carmine from an 1856 printing.

It is a complete fallacy that a #10/10A needs to be plated for correct identification. If everybody thinks it is that hard to tell them apart why on earth aren't people asking why should we care? A nice 1851 orange brown stamp that is worth the time it took me to type this post will almost speak for itself.

Personally, I completely agree with sinclair2010's comment on the plating fallacy. For years, I have felt confident in differentiating the major numbers (10/11 until 2008 - 10/10A/11/11A afterwards). With a couple good references, there are plenty of visual identifiers to properly ID sound stamps. Then a few years ago, I started attending shows, joined a couple clubs and reading several forums. There is definitely a "proof in the plating" and "most mis-identified stamp" attitude out there.

Here's some Orange Browns, once you get used to seeing them they jump right out at you.

thanks @ all. I have scan without color correction.

#11 typ I


and two stamps #26

I like this web page. http://rosenstamps.com/the-3-cent-stamp-of-1851/

And here are a couple from a collection I bought today.



Edit to add another nice link
http://www.uspcs.org/the-1851-1860-...amp-plating/

dittrich, The first #26 you show is actually a Type IV, #26A.

Stampcrow, Nice! What else did you get?

Stampcrow, In case you didn't already know, the cancel on your second stamp is a NYC square grid which was only used in 1851. The stamp is guaranteed to be an 1851 orange brown 10/10A. It looks like it is a Type I, #10.

sinclair2010, I always hope for your input with these.

I didn't know that. On the page it was noted as "spinning top". The other was noted "Watertown, NY".

A nice small old album (The Practical Album) loaded with U.S. 1851 three cent stamps. They are mostly used and all are hinged, except for a few on pieces. A few strip of three and some horizontal and vertical pairs.

On some pages there are notations in pencil. For example, "one recut upper left triangle" or "Gash On Left Shoulder". Couple pages of guide dots. And some pretty neat cancels through out. Also a nice pre print fold and a couple with imprints. Must be nearly a thousand stamps.

There are no plate number notations. Just the sporadic notes, identifying features. So... there is much left to be done. I love it. By far the best single (philatelic) Item I have ever purchased.

Edit: there are two noted as having stitch watermarks. Would I need to dip them to see this?

Stitch watermarks are usually plainly visible sitting face down on a black background or when held up to light. I have bought a few on ebay just by seeing them in a scan.

thanks @sinclair2010 for you help with #26 typ IV