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#183 Of Very White Paper?

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Posted 10/18/2015   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dittrich, thank you; I understand your point.

I am still interested in the different sizes of the stamps. I find it intriguing.
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Posted 10/18/2015   8:54 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The paper of the one on the left looks whiter because the plate wiping was better than it was for the one on the right.

You can't use the size of the stamp for identification because there can be different sizes of stamps within the same sheet for these old stamps.
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Posted 10/18/2015   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, eye!
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Posted 10/21/2015   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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kev, but what about the missing (?) secret mark? That's what would lead me elsewhere.


I sympathize with your conundrum. This very subject was taken up by William Stevenson in an article which appeared in Mekeels Weekly Stamp News back in 1913. He illustrated four views of the intersection where the secret mark should be seen and made some comparative notes.




His notes:

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No. 1 shows what can be seen just below the ball at the left of the "S" of U. S. in the upper label, in the National 2c. The two curved lines do not join. The space bounded by the two curved lines and the shortest of the verticals is vacant.

No. 4 shows how the secret mark is always illustrated as far as I have seen.

No. 2 shows how the mark appears on a very great majority of the 2c brown, Continental, which I have examined.

No. 3 and No. 4 show how it is to be found on occasional copies. I have these two in a vertical pair as well as in a few singles. These generally show an apparent joining of the two curved lines in a point. This may be only apparent but it looks actual to me.

Here is one of his summary statements:


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In many copies of the Continental printing it is difficult, from the nature of the ink or paper, to say more than that a line exists. In the 2c vermilion I have found but a very few copies where anything could be made out definitely. I shall not tell you what I found just yet. In the American printings I have found no copies where any thing was certain.




here is a link to the entire article:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ke...2C736&edge=0


I hope this helps to redirect your thinking and expectation regarding the Continental secret mark for their 2c stamps and later.
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Posted 10/21/2015   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I couldn't get in sooner. Been tied up offline for a while.

@dittrich - you are quite right that both of the stamps in the OP are on soft paper. You have come a long way in your recognition of that aspect of paper. Good job! This means that both stamps are #183, so silk paper is not an option for either of them. The type of silk paper most associated with the Bank Note Issues consists of numerous tiny black fibers in the fiber matrix. Silk paper is a type of hard paper, and it may help you to associate silk paper with the Continental Bank Note Co. Although certain soft paper was introduced by Continental, silk paper is not a soft paper.

I think you will find that the stamp on whiter paper will fluoresce more brightly than its other soft paper counterpart. American did use a brighter paper for a while

You asked for comment on the cancellation for the stamp on whiter paper. It consists of two parts: a townmark and a killer. The killer is a segmented leaf cancel. I cannot identify the location for the townmark, but it appears to have a year date for sometime in 1882. I suspect that it was probably duplexed with the killer. If so, it adds to the probability that this stamp was made by the American Bank Note Co., since its use is more than two years after the merger of 1879.

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Posted 10/21/2015   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much, essay!
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Posted 10/21/2015   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks @essayk. I think both stamps is #183. the left had no gum or little gum, so that paper is whiter to look?







thanks for your all help
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Posted 10/27/2015   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancel on the left stamp in the original post is an 1882 Wesson Time on Bottom cancel from Worcester, Massachusetts. Here is an illustration scanned from LaPosta Monograph Series Volume 5 "Walter D Wesson's Time on Bottom Duplex Hand Cancelers" by Theodire W. Bozarth.

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Posted 10/27/2015   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hi John Becker, I be hooked for your help... Thanks, Thanks
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