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1861 George Washington 24c Need Help Identifying.

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Posted 02/08/2016   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Paul32 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The stamp is labelled Lilac/violet in my album but this exact phrase isn't used in the online catalogue. There's a huge difference in value so perhaps someone knows for sure which variant of 9 George Washington 24c I have? I'm pretty confident it's the 4th Q3.

In this state, stamped and a little piece of corner missing what would be the value?



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Posted 02/08/2016   2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paul, I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but your stamp is worthless. The upper right corner is missing! It may bring a buck because of the cancel? But I think you have the right ID, I believe it is #4 in stampworld.

Peter
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Posted 02/08/2016   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow that's harsh a 2500EUR stamp reduced to a buck just because of the corner?!

I see most stamps indicated with the Scott #, how do I find out this exact number for my stamp?
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Edited by Paul32 - 02/08/2016 2:34 pm
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Posted 02/08/2016   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And the 1866 Abraham Lincoln 15c next to it should be worth 200EUR stamped as it is, your opinion about that?

My grandfather wrote more or less the same price on both, wouldn't that be fair since I don't see this particular George Washington 24c for sale?
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Edited by Paul32 - 02/08/2016 2:45 pm
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Posted 02/08/2016   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paul, I can tell you are not a collector! And those dollar signs are still in your eyes!
Just kidding. I have no idea where the 2500 euro are coming from. I looked this thing up o Google ( go for "US stamp Scott 70 ) and I found a beautiful example sold for 240 dollars.
Your other question where to find the Scott number. Here in the States we use the Scott catalog. And since the Scott numbers are proprietary I have no idea how to find this info in the Netherlands.
You might be able to find some of these numbers in http://stampsmarter.com . A lot of trouble to go through, but the American E-Bay is also a good source to use. But you need a long, cold and rainy day for that sort of thing!
I still think your best bet is to find a stamp club in your area and get to talk with other collectors.
You can keep asking here, but your expectations seem way too high!

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Posted 02/08/2016   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We crossed posts again. Your Abe Lincoln is probably Scott 77. Try to Google that and see for yourself what an extra fine stamp would sell for!

Peter
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Posted 02/08/2016   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those prices are indicated on stampworld.com but I see they're much lower on ebay!
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Paul, there is a huge difference between catalog values and real world values. As mentioned yours is what is called a space filler, this is used by collectors to fill a gap until a better copy can be found. I'd say Peter's valuing of $1 is very close. Nobody buys US Stamps based on Michel values, Scott catalogs are the preferred catalogs by US Collectors. If nobody has posted by the time I get home from work I'll post the 2015 Scott value for used.

The Lincoln stamp also has condition issues. Scott catalog (Can't speak for Michel) values are for VF copies. Notice that your stamp is nowhere near the condition of those shown in Michel. In Stamp values, condition is everything. A 1963 Corvette might be worth $100,000.00 but one with dented body parts that doesn't run won't come close to that value.
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Posted 02/08/2016   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alright so I have another confusing one.

A 1912 Benjamin Franklin 12c except that I have a rare colour, wel both colours actually. I have a brown and a purple version while I can only find the brown version on ebay, stampworld and catawiki.

Does that make it interesting?

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Posted 02/08/2016   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#512 / 512a....common stamps, BOTH.
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Posted 02/08/2016   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Where do you get the info that is rare??
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Posted 02/08/2016   3:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Kevin504, it's more of an online catalogue faillure and my own lack of knowledge!
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Hi Paul,
Welcome to the community. You might want to try this web site for help in identifying US stamps.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/

Take a look at the 1847usa section, it does not have pricing but should be of some help. For pricing, you can use ebay 'sold' search feature to get comparables. As other wise folks have noted, condition accounts for quite a bit when calculating market value.

Catalog values and retail web sites are not typically a good way to understand actual market values. This can be a bit frustrating but with some work you can come up to speed. In fact, a good bit of the 'fun' in stamp collecting is learning about the stamps and their varieties.

Additionally as you examine each stamp you will get the intrinsic pleasure of knowing that your grandfather would be proud o know that you have taken an interest in his previous efforts. You may soon realize that the true value of your collection has nothing with market prices.
Don


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Posted 02/08/2016   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1914 postage due 1c carmine. It seems unstamped to me, I'm interested in your opinion, does this rate as mint or not? For example I see a discolloration in the upper left corner does that matter?

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Posted 02/08/2016   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
regarding the 24c in the original post:


Quote:
Paul, I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but your stamp is worthless.


Until you know exactly what stamp he has it seems a bit premature to decide it is completely worthless.

Paul, I don't know which catalog you are using that uses Dutch color names, but I can see that it is listing as one type what the Standard catalog in the US lists as two types based on when they were in production. Yet your catalog also speaks of "types" but I don't know how they correlate.

You (or your grandfather) have identified your stamp as being a number 20c type Q3, which is a "thin paper" variety. Are you/ Was he familiar with the characteristics of "thin paper?"

That number in your catalog seems to correspond to Scott #70d. But how do you know it is not Scott #78a grayish lilac; that is number 20f, type Q6 in your catalog? They are very similar shades, but the catalog value of one is more than 8 times that of the other.

Please let us know how you determined what you have so we may comment with fewer assumptions.

Too many different stamps for a single thread. Comments are going to get mixed.
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Posted 02/08/2016   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
does this rate as mint or not?


If it still has full original gum it might rate as mint. Without gum it might be "unused" but since postage due stamps were not always cancelled, the convention has some down that such stamps are usually thought of as "not cancelled." If yours has light marks UL, then it may be best to think of it as used.

Let me suggest, please don't add more stamps to this thread. Start a new one for other material.
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