Its The 596 Isnt It

I noticed your post about the A155 stamp Scott 596 and I think I have one

the stamp is perf 11
it measures 19 1/4 x 22.5

The first photo shows that my stamp is perf 11 on all 4 sides the second photo shows

it is not a rotary press printing and
it is not 11 x 10.5

I will post another photo of my stamp beside a flat plate printing to show

it is not perf 12
it is to long to be a flat plate printing
its not a perf 10

its not a coil stamp
its notimperforate
it does not have an overprint or a precancel

....and its not as wide as the 594

Not sure which stamp you believe is the 596. Looks as if all the ones you show here except the Springfield pre-cancel are flat plate printings. The 596 is a rotary press print.
Can you show a scan of the back of the stamp of the one you believe is a 596 ? THe majority of 596's will have a Kansas City MO. precancel.

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Welcome to the forum Shelly :)

The dimensions in catalogs and the difficulty in measuring accurately makes IDing these stamps challenge. You might want to check this page out on another method.
Don
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa...gmethods.htm

The first photo shows the stamp on the left is not as long as the stamp on the right the stamp on the right is a rotary press printing

the second photo shows that the stamp is longer than the flat plat stamp

the third photo is the same stamp I lined it up to show the top is the same perfs as the sides both are perf 11

the stamp on the left is the one I think is a 596 it is too short to be a rotary press and too long to be a flat plate printing

As stallzer mentioned, it would be helpful to see the back of the stamp.
Don

The straight edge stamp is a flat plate perf 11 Scott 552. Sheet stamps were printed on 400 subject plates using paper with vertical mesh (grain). The 5 cent Scott 223 was printed by American Bank Note company on a 200 subject plate. The mesh of the paper is horizontal instead of vertical. Shrinkage after printing is across the mesh of the paper which accounts for the 552 being taller than the 223. Booklet panes like 552a were printed on horizontal grain paper, also known as special paper, and will show a similar difference in height and will be slightly wider than the corresponding sheet stamps.

In any case, Don is correct. Measurements in the Scott catalog are too approximate to be useful. Proper comparison with a know reference is more likely to yield useful results.

Finally, neither 1 cent stamp is even close to the color that would be expected if the stamp was a 596.

CLark

The first stamp is a 596 and the others are my stamp I guess the color can appear different depending on how it was taken.

I think whats more important are the measurements ....when side by side with a flat plate my stamp is longer flat plate is 22mm my stamp is 22.5mm flat plate is 19mm wide my stamp is 19 1/4mm wide and its shorter then the rotary press printing

Hi Shelly,
Welcome to the board, and hope you stay around and contribute. You obviously are a collector and are talking some of the talk. But you also need to know that Clark is a industry-renowned expert...we are very fortunate to have his expertise here....and he posts a lot, taking his valuable time to help all of us.

Whether you choose to accept his advice or not is up to you. But we see a lot of collectors here thinking they have a 613, 594, 596, and they haven't panned out yet, although we did have another knowledgeable collector here find a 544 last year. So some may be out there, but if Clark says yours isn't a 596, it just isn't.....sorry!

Thanks, and keep trying, Ray

I have no idea why someone would dispute Clark's opinion, he one of the preeminent experts in North America for these issues. It is a 552. But I guess if the OP wants to press forward, he should spend some money on a certification.
Don

Shelly wrote:


Clark wrote:


Shelly, I think that's the gist of it.



Don, Shelly just may not have been aware of this.

Hello I am sorry I didn't mean to offend I did not know who Clark was

As far as I could tell my stamp fits the description of a 596 .....if my stamp was a flat plate printing would it not have to be 19mm x 22 mm long if it is 22.5 mm in length could it be a flat plate printing to be honest my stamp is almost 23 mm long itbut not quite its closer to 22 3/4 and its definatley more than 19mm wide I do not wish to contradict I am only going by what I have read in the scoot cat. and online web

The 596 should have basically the same dimensions as the Ohio precancel stamp in your picture. Even though you were careless in lining them up next to each other, you can see that they do not have the same HIGHT of design. The smaller stamp is flat plate 11x11.

I am sorry for not linning the stamps up very good I am new to all this computer stuff ..anyway what I am trying to show you in the first photo is the real 596 beside my stamp I realize they are not lined up but the photo is crooked and its hard to line them up perfectly I will try to send a better photo but for now I think you can see that they do infact meet and they are the same size ill do my best to send a few more

thanks


The 2nd photo from the top
shows my stamp is longer than the flat plate printing


ill

Shelly, sounds like you have convinced yourself of having a 596. Your stamp is a flat plate print so if your are that convinced then I would certainly send it in for certification, my recommendation would be the Philatelic foundation.


http://www.philatelicfoundation.org...ing-process/

Your side by side image of a genuine 596, which I presume you downloaded from the Internet, with your candidate stamp is not a scientifically valid comparison because the stamps were not scanned at the same time on the same machine. As an example of the error you have introduced, the numeral "1" in each image isn't the same size. You cannot download an image, then take your scan and resize it to compare to the one you downloaded. That's comparing apples to oranges. You are deceiving yourself.