Great Find...can You Guess What It Is?

This arrived today...with the exception of Mr. Sinclair (and Winston, I could verify every plate mark with the position you ID'd, so thanks!), who could plate this from the original image and I could not, and Al E. Gator, who already knows, can the other 1c 1851-7 fans figure this one out?


Purchased as a #22, it is not #22.....what do y'all think this one is?
Ray

Only because it is Saint Patrick's Day,
I am feeling lucky! Could it be a # 7 ?

#7 would be imperf

Looks like a 19 or a 19b, but with the bottom obscured by the centering it is difficult for me to be sure.

To be honest, I would have thought it was #22. Given that this is not the correct choice, I would guess it's a type Ia (not Ic), making it Scott #19. In any case, plating it is beyond my skill level ... and, not trusting my guess, I would surely have it certified.

This is a very difficult one. My mind is stuck on a type IC only because it can't be a type I as top ornaments are cut away. It can't be a type IB again because the top ornaments are not complete. Can't be a IA because it's missing the the horizontal flaw under the U. Can't be type II because I can clearly see the complete ball under right scroll. This is getting me stuck on type IC, plate 4 but the bottom right plume appears complete to me ?

#19, type Ia or 19b, type Ic. From bottom row of plate 4, relief F. Not sure which subtype because the right bottom plume is obscured, but I would guess type Ia since Ic is rarer.

I think I'm right, but open to correction. In any case, very nice find! Just curious, was this an ebay find or somewhere else?

Hi Ray, I do remember and appreciate the
lesson you gave me on the 24's. Sorry to speak
without knowledge. I do see that the perfs started
at # 18. It must have been the green beer.
Good luck with your new find!

IMHO it can't be a type IA since it is missing the horizontal flaw.

stallzer: Compared this to a couple of examples on Regency Superior site. Then I looked at this stamp again & I think the flaw is there. Almost looks like a light scratch, just below the spot where the scrollwork curves back to the left.

I saw that also. I only base my opinion on Neinkens writings but it did cross my mind but I don't believe it showed it enough to constitute a flaw. The bottom right plume however does look complete and as I mentioned earlier my mind is stuck on a type IC. My disclaimer is that I am a complete amateur in the studies of this wonderful design.

Lukus and Rev were the closest...
Stallzer, the F relief flaw is definitely there, Southwest of the you in US...

I thought that it was 93L4, with the blur between the top two of three dots above ornament F, but I also thought with a hunch that as fine as the impression was with the plumes, that they had a real chance to be complete.

It is definitely 94L4, type IA, #19. Not a great copy, but I also never thought I'd ever have one!
I'm not going to list the auction, but I did buy it on ebay, and there were over 20 bids....and I'm just thrilled to have this in hand...
Thanks for the responses, Ray

Oh snap, should of stuck with the full bottom right plume instead of the horizontal flaw. Great find Ray as once again you prove that knowledge is power. I love these threads.

*Edit*

As confirmed by DiPortos's archive. I do get too hung up on Neinkens research.


"Figure 3. (BELOW) A faint horizontal plate scratch not illustrated in Neinken, but confirmed as consistent. (additional images in process)"

His image is spot on for your plating assessment. This truly is (in my opinion) the best stamp for study.

Nice find, Ray!

Well done, Eagle Eye!

To Tipzi.....any compliment is cool coming from the MASTER of US Classic discoveries.....and the other folks in this forum have no earthly idea....

I'll have the 94L4 with me at the show this weekend.....hope to see you there!
Ray

To all-- thanks for your participation.....