Scott 1 On An Envelope

Not sure it is a genuine one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sc-1d-Brown...231783219027.

PF certificate image seems to match. But again, that could also be forged. Right?

It looks fine. And the best thing to do with a PF certificate is to check it against the pfsearch.org online database; it's there. The cover has known provenance and includes annotations from Dr. Chase....no problems there.

$700 seems like a good price. Do others agree?

I have a Scott #1 (good colors w/ pf cert) and I was offered $400 once for it... I thought the envelope would triple the value. Couple that with a PF certificate, my guess was it should have been in 1000+.

Surprised to see one for $700 and hence asked.

I think think that if the price was "good", someone would have purchased it by now. ebay is full of pickers and bargains are not left for long.

Check the sold listings on ebay. That will help determine if the price seems good.

To expand on the back side notes, having the catalog handy:
Daniel F. Kelleher, Sale 590, October 22-23, 1991. Lot 478 appears as follows:





I do not know the hammer price.

It isn't a #1, it's a 1d, which is more valuable and scarcer than a #1. That's why the price is $700, at least as I can see. So if anyone compares this with other auctions, be sure to compare apples with apples....

Hope this helps, Ray

Thanks, guys! Very interesting thread! I get to imagine I have the money to invest in number ones!

It's a premium color, certified by the PF for authenticity. Scare yourselves with worry and doubt if you think that's wise, but if I were persuing the 1847s and had found this it would be gone already.

It's safe from me since I don't have the money or the need for that, but it is a nice piece.

slightly off the post but I have a hard time searching for # 1 and # 2 stamps on ebay, anyone got a trick to get the stamps without 3000 listings that arnt?

First, be sure you are searching in the Category "United States" subcategory "19th Century Used" then create a search string that gets what you want and removes what you don't want, for example:

"5c (1, #1, 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 1847, Franklin) -Jefferson -Washington -Grant -Garfield -Taylor -Due"

Here "5c" is required, everything in the parentheses represents a disjunction of terms (OR), and the minus sign "-" immediately followed by a term (no space after minus) eliminates a term from search.

The string above does a pretty good job of returning stuff, but there may be irrelevant terms in the disjunction set. Certainly there is probably a better search string.

Jim, try adding 1847 to your search. But on the down side, that might eliminate some.

Wow Hungary thats a pretty good search I will save that 1

When I first read this thread, I was happy to see the
# 1 on a cover. It did sell for the $700 earlier mentioned.

I also enjoyed the info on ebay search techniques.
They do say that you learn something new every day!

For anyone really interested in the Scott # 1 and 2 on cover, take a look at the cover census on the US Philatelic Classics website.

http://www.uspcs.org/resource-cente...over-census/

This cover sold in 2010 in Robert A Siegel Sale 993 Lot 198 for $200.