Need Help Scott 594 Or 596?

Hello I have two franklin stamps and I just was wanting some help figuring out which they are thanks. http://api10.webresizer.com/resizer...jpg&type=jpg

Bdaniels2234, I have trouble with the link you provide, but if you try http://stampsmarter.com and follow the link to the Washington/Franklins, you get a fantastic way of IDing your stamps.

Peter

Yes, link not working.

thanks

I agree with the suggestion to first try Stampsmarter to ID them. Come back if you have any questions.

Use the search function here and you will find tons of threads on people thinking they've found a 594 / 596, which there is a very high probability that yours are not.

I was hoping someone could get me some info I know they're prolly not the rare ones but I just want to know what they are

Well first you need to tell us what the perforation measurements are, other than hat here is some Good reading.

https://goscf.com/t/50383&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/50077&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/49995&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/49927&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/48545&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/38353&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/47620&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/47591&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/46500&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/15163&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/45219&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/43272&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/42059&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/39530&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/37987&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/36399&SearchTerms=596
https://goscf.com/t/33713&SearchTerms=596

As you can see this question of is it or I think I've found the 594/6 has been answered here once or twice. There are some great things to learn in the posts above.

The stamps are a 632a rotary press booklet pane single and an ordinary perf 11x10 1/2 rotary sheet stamp, Scott 632. The color is that of printings after 1930. Coil and sheet waste issues 594 and 596 would in the same color range as the dull green perf 11x10 coil waste stamp, Scott 578.

What's a pleasure reading here!
I've spent the few last days measuring my 1c Franklins. Many thanks to the creator-owner of StampSmarter (http://www.stampsmarter.com ) and this Forum (Google brought me to the discussions held in 2011, 2013). I found them really helpful. ...love the newbie's question about 596 that ended: *** Edited by Staff - Yelling Removed *** ...I imagine...

So.. I do not have Scott 596 or 594. I just have a FUN measuring-organizing my 1c Franklins and would like to double check with you, the expert collectors, did I "my homework" good enough or not?

Franklin 1c, Perf 11 x 11
Scott 552 - Flat plate (very often - color marks on the back), design 18.5–19 mm x 22 mm;
Scott 594 - Rotary plate, design 19.75 x 22.25 mm;
Scott 596 - Rotary plate, design 19.25 x 22.5 mm.

perf. 11 x 10 1/2 - Scott #632
perf. 11 x 10 - Scott #578
perf. 10 - Scott #581
perf. 10 vert. - Scott #597
perf. 10 horiz. - Scott #604
imperf. - Scott #575

At the end of my post I will ask a question about one Franklin 1c stamp that I cannot identify. Please help.

These are exactly Scott 552

















QUESTION: Please help with Scott number identification!
perf 11 x 10 1/2, design 19 x 22,5 mm

Nobody replied.
Ok. It's Monday.
Actually, it looks like that I found the answer by myself.
Many of Scott 632 dimensions are exactly 19 x 22,5mm or so (just checked the bunch of 632s that I have).
If it would be listed right to the Scott 632 description, it would safe time for many of us.

Using a perf gauge to determine stamp dimensions is the hardest way to identify a stamp. A few of your images are good examples, the thickness of the perf gauge millimeter marking is greater than the distance needed to make a good measurement. Do users use the outside edge of the millimeter marking? Inside edge? Middle of the marking? Point is, it is not accurate enough and user measurements are unreliable. Additionally, and this cannot be emphasized enough, the published dimensions (in Scott catalog and Stamp Smarter site) are just 'guessimates' or typical averages.

All of this make me want to remove the dimensions from Stamp Smarter but I included it for completeness. I try to also document the better way (making templates and building reference collections) for IDing these stamps.

Many of us publish information for the benefit of everyone. We also desire to teach others but are less enthusiastic about presenting the same information over and over and over. For example, I would rather write and post it once on Stamp Smarter than to keep repeating the same answers in many threads over time.

And it should also be noted, although I am not saying that you are doing this, that 'treasure hunting' is frowned upon. There is a long history of forum threads in which posters believe they own stamps which will make them rich, and then push back when they are told the reality of the situation. This may account for some of the tone that might be found in forums.
Don

Don,

It would be helpful to note that the "standard" dimension for definitive stamps of the era was 3/4" x 7/8". Flat plate stamps shrink in the horizontal direction and booklet pane stamps in the vertical. Rotary press coil stamps are wider than 3/4" and sheet stamps are taller than 7/8". In any case measuring is not as effective as comparing height or width with another stamp with known characteristics. The same is true gauging perforations. Using another stamp is generally quicker and more accurate.

Besides looking at the aspect ratio of stamps, noting the color and presence or not of setoff (ink on the back) is important. With few exceptions flat plate stamps of the period will show bits of the mirror image of the design on the back as a result of stacking the sheets before the ink is completely dry. Rotary press stamps are generally clean on the back and. Rotary press sheet stamps with gum will normally have gum breakers and gum of coil stamps has a characteristic look including lines in the gum in the coiling direction.

There are many clues. Learn to see and use them.

Thanks Clark, the flat plate setoff info is already on the site but I will add the additional dimensional info. Color? I hate to even go there with so many folks misunderstanding digital imaging. Obviously an experience person can easily ID a flat plate from a rotary even if the image is rather poor; but with so many inexperienced folks drawing incorrect color conclusions it makes me want to run in the other direction!
Don