Canceled Or Not?

I have these 2 souvenir stamps one has been canceled the other not are they worth more with a cancel on it or not? Im confused again

Where's the pics Tina?

Steve

well you see I had my stepson go get me some ice in my spill proof cup,and well he put to much so my lid wouldnt quite screw down all the way.Its been so hot here that the ice melts pretty fast so I thought id just wait a few and then screw the lid down,as my son and I were just talking away I reached for my cup and forgot the lid was only part way on o yea my laptop is in my lap as this is going on and what do you know,half my cup of water went all over the key board,so now im on my mini as I sit here and pray over and over that when I go and turn her back on everything will be normal,im waiting for her to dry.That is the one that talks to my printer/scanner this one im on hasnt met yet help me pray Triggers

Tina, Since I don't know which one's you're referring to, I can't be specific, but
souvenir sheets often are more valuable used/canceled then cancel. The dates need to reasonably close to the date of issue. If too far from issue date will diminish it's value!
The most common reason for this is that most souvenir sheet are acquired as a
souvenir and consequently they are never used.

Mike

Tina, good luck with your laptop, I hope it comes good.

Steve

yea the power of prayer I tell ya im on my laptop now ill post what I was refering to

here are 3 of them I have lots more.The Russia (CCCP) one has the numbers on it could someone please tell me what the term for that is on a souvenir stamp,I know on a block of 4 or more its called plate block number but there is only 1 stamp not 4 or more HELP Thanks

Tina, You have a different example of a canceled souvenir sheet.
This is a "cancel to order" that means general western stamp wholesalers
order used stamps, mostly, but not limited to, the old Eastern Bloc communist nations,
to meet the requests they canceled them before delivery to stamp wholesalers.
So these stamps never did real postage, many still have gum on the back like a mint
stamp would. These stamps generally are worth less then used stamp that saw real postage duty.

Mike

Tina, some countries issued S/S's individually numbered (i.e., they don't come without the number). I usually see it referred to as a numbered S/S, but most sellers don't bother mentioning it because those S/S's don't come without numbers.

Absolutely true, and good point!

Here's the tricky part -- Scott usually values used stamps for genuine postally used stamps. But... sometimes values the used stamp in the catalog for CTO for certain year ranges of countries notorious for issuing CTOs. You have to pay attention to the catalog notes to know which countries and what year ranges.

oooh wow now im really confused,mike how did you know they were CTO without looking at the back of them? so the answer to my question is with it being a CTO the value is the same?this learning about stamps is not an easy task!!

Tina, how I can tell is that the cancel is CTO is that it is strategically canceled in a corner always 1/4 of a circular cancel is on the stamp and it's light so to allow a better look at the stamp itself. A CTO is worth less then a normally used stamp!

Mike

Mike I just looked at some of my other CTO and the cancel is in all different spots on them here are a few

Tina, The Magyar (Hungary) & the lower left DDR (East Germany) are the same. They have very lite & cover the stamp portion of the sheet from a quarter to a half. It's still a CTO.
*** Remember the easist way to know it is CTO is if it's canceled and has gum
on the back it is CTO ***

The others all from East Germany had another dimension to the situation.
They are canceled with Fancy/Commemorative type on cancel can still be a CTO
but when they were sold, those cancels added a premium to the issue, becoming
as important and some cases more important then the original issued sheet.
They were speculative investments that have not and won't pan out.

Mike

shoot I have alot of s/s CTO i'd show some but for some reason when I go to upload some pictures I press the little green camera it goes right back to same screen I don't get it,you know me and what I went through to get pictures on here,it was quite the challenge