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Jefferson In The Buff

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Posted 12/13/2009   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



A recently acquired 1862 cover to Lyon, France featuring Scott #67, the 5c Thomas
Jefferson in the early "buff" color. Later this design was issued in red brown and
brown. A 10c George Washington (Scott #69) accompanied Jefferson to France.

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Posted 12/13/2009   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Catchy thread title.
[I was hoping it was Mrs. Jefferson, though.]

You have an amazing ability to acquire really good quality stamps/covers that are clean and have good strikes!

Thanks for sharing!

I need to start following you around!

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Edited by khj - 12/13/2009 11:16 pm
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Posted 12/13/2009   11:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I noticed the cover has graph-paper like gridwork. How common is that for that era?
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Edited by khj - 12/13/2009 11:17 pm
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t360 can you format some of my titles please? my stamps are nto selling for some reason.
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Posted 12/14/2009   04:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add luvthecommonwealth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice cover, but I was expecting something else...
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Posted 12/14/2009   05:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this is a family forum luv
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Posted 12/14/2009   06:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is a fascinating cover.
What is the rectangular red cancel to the left of the buff Jefferson and in the circular cancellation?
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Posted 12/14/2009   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1775mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I spotted the same thing rohumpy. The FB cancel peaked my interest. Any extra information on this one t360. Also, the Jefferson has great well defined lines on the engraving. A barrel cancel postmarks and more. Today we complain when a letter gets all marked up but look at all of the cancels on this one and it just makes it even more desirable. Beautiful cover, thanks.
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Posted 12/14/2009   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Knudson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Nice cover, but I was expecting something else...


Me too, me too. Much nicer images in the end though.
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Just looked at the cover more closely and looks to have expertizing marks down in the right hand corner.
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Posted 12/14/2009   12:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful Cover Tom

Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 12/14/2009   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great pick up Tom ( said with green envy )I haven't got a #67 as yet and the #68 is a nice rich green like mine

I've got to get a #67 I've got to get a #67

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Posted 12/14/2009   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David Giles to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tom:

Very nice!

An American trading friend in WV sent me a packet of 3-cent green, Geo. Washington pre-1900 stamps with different coloured postmarks. I'm starting into early American stamp (thanks to the book you sent me for becoming a pillar of SCF). You'll be getting lots of questions from me in 2010!

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Posted 12/14/2009   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for the keen observations and kind remarks.

There is a large "JUL 8 NEW YORK PAID 12" mark and a smaller "21 Juil 62 Calais" (France) routing or receiving mark.
I believe the red "PD" is an accountancy mark meaning 'Paid to Destination' and was applied in London or Calais.

The manuscript "Per Arabia" in the upper left corner indicates the letter was intended to be carried on the transatlantic steamship Arabia.

The initials in the lower right corner are either authentication marks from prominent philatelists or just previous owner's marks.
They look like "AMV" and "MUC". Anyone recognize these?


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Posted 12/15/2009   12:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 2nd question, as I am not that familiar with covers.

Is it normal for expertizer marks to be made on the front of covers, instead of the back. On stamps, they are always on the back.

I have not seen AMV, before, but I am not an expert on expertizer marks.

The initials in the lower right look like an unidentified mark that has been found on some Bavaria area material, oddly enough. In that case, the initials are "M.JC". It looks a lot like what you have, downward right sloping letters, period only after the M, elongated tip in the lower half C. Except that your mark is in red, not black. Also, you said MUC. You have a better look than I. Can you verify that it's MUC and not MJC.

Thanks!
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Posted 12/15/2009   05:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi khj,
It looks like it is "M.JC" rather than "MUC".
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