Cinderella? Or Not Cinderella?

A quick question...

The stamps pictured below are the Fujeira animals issue, which I believe was issued on 8 January 1969.

Now...Fujeira is presently one of the United Arab Emirates, which didn't come into existence until 2 December 1971. However I have seen reference on a couple of websites to these stamps being Cinderellas (or illegals, which for the purposes of my aim to catalogue all giraffe stamps, would constitute the same thing).

Are they? Or are they not? I would also be grateful if someone could give me a definitive, erm, definition of what constitutes a cinderella - when it comes to "mock" countries like Nagaland, I'm fine, but what about "genuine" countries like, say, Fujeira or Umm Al Qiwain...where does one draw the line?

Thanks in advance for any help.

GS

If we accept this as the definition of a Cinderella, then I think the bogus issue portion covers the stamps you've shown and they are, indeed, Cinderellas.

I thought I'd throw this in to explain the post above.

Sorry to seem a bit thick, but would you mind clarifying your answer for me? If the stamps were issued in 1969, when Fujeira was still independent, which of the bits of the bogus / cinderella definition(s) do you think these would fall under?

Thanks in advance,

GS

I would say these issues are akin to many issues that come from the Postal Services of the UK or USA for example.
Gibbons catalogues best describes them as being 'in excess of Postal needs' and this is my view too.
Today, many new issues [indeed most] are 'in excess' of Postal needs and are rarely, if ever, seen by the public. They are, however, not catalogued by the main players in the same way as Fujeira and others.

The stamps you show were indeed issued by the Postal Service of Fujeira and are therefore not bogus. A number of bogus or illegal stamps were indeed flooding the market in the early 70's. They were printed by unscrupulous dealers from Lebanon and were marketed in the West by unsuspecting dealers who found out too late. Stamps purporting to come from Ajman, Yemen and others also flooded the market.
Scott's do not list any stamps from Fujeira after 1965 even though they remained an independent state until 1972.

I have a list of all issues known to exist [if not postally] so if you come across some 'others' we can sort them out !

Londonbus1

At one time there was a "black list" of stamps like London is talking about. Has anyone seen that lately? I would assume these issues would have shown up on it.

I see I misread the original post in the middle of the night. Fujeira was in existence when they were issued, then became part of the UAE.

So I guess we're down to the question of whether or not they were part of the black listed issues of the era and if that makes them Cinderellas. Interesting question.

There are a lot of gray areas in this topic. For this particular issue, I'd go with "stamp" myself, based on the issuing authority.

Collin

I made a lame attempt at searching online for a philatelic blacklist but couldn't find any mention. OH, well. Like Collin says, they're probably stamps.

I don't have a blacklist but I do have the list [as supplied by Gibbons] of those issued by Fujeira post.
Those on the 'list' appear from time to time on ebay and other places and don't come cheap. Actually, many of the appendix issues don't come cheap either.

If anyone comes across any of the Bogus, or thinks they may be bogus, please let me know. They will go nicely into my Cinderella collection.

Londonbus1....a bit dubious myself !

Wouldn't the question be...Could those stamps have been used within the issuing countries postal system to mail a letter legally?

If so, I would catagorize them as postage stamps and not cinderella's or bogus stamps.

There's my 2 cents.

Thank you all for the replies. I didn't realise the history behind the "illegal" market in middle eastern stamps around that time, although I did notice that those countries had a tendency to issue large quantities of commemoratives every year.

So, these ones stay in as stamps, and give me a good basis to work out what counts as a cinderella and not going forward. Thanks, all!

The WADP Project in cooperation with the the UPU does not seem to address this particular controversy. However the Fujiera postal authority website seems to explain, per the UPU's current guidelines regarding "legal" stamp issues as well as pointing out, via press releases and public announcements, truly 'bogus' and unscrupulous issues by private interests under the name of the name of the country. This particular grouping would appear to be "stamps".