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Posted 06/05/2010   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ryan,

I deal mostly with wholesale values, so take the following information with several grains of salt.

For the stamps shown, you will not get full Scott catalog value.

RETAIL value of the 50 state flags usually ranges very roughly from $9-$13, 50 state greetings from $22-$28, Legends of Hollywood (including ones not shown) from $9-$20 (Robinson issue I believe is currently the top retail item, but that is temporary), US-USSR space issue (you actually show the Russian stamp, not the US stamp) is $18-$24. The low end represents a likely quick sell price, while the upper end, expect to take several months (or possibly not sell at all).

Take it to a dealer, expect less than face value for your collection, unless you have something super-special hidden in there like a recalled Legends of the West pane.

There are only about 2-3 dozen mint sheets in the past 40 years that consistently wholesale for above face value. In general, a dealer will not pay you more than the wholesale price -- otherwise, it's easier for the dealer to simply buy from the wholesaler.

It all depends on how quickly you need to dispose of your collection. The quicker you need to sell, and the larger the grouping, the less total money you will get. On the other hand, if you sell your collection piecemeal to individuals, you may get more for each item, but you run the risk of not selling many items -- plus, you will spend a lot more time.

Hope that info helps.

k
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Posted 06/05/2010   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add The_Hoff to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can someone actually help me define face value for a stamp. Is it the value of the stamp when first released? If so then why is there a Scott value? If its easier to pay face value and a lot cheaper than what is the relevance of Scott value? Am I making any sense? Thanks.
-Ryan
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Posted 06/05/2010   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ryan, you have some sheets there that if you find the right buyer you could get above face value...Marilyn Monroe ? One definition of scott value is ..the fair value a dealer would have to charge to make a profit..after all he buys the stamps...rents a place to sell them and hopes to make a little profit to live on....a dealer would probably give you 70 percent of face value...not catalog value..i would not sell postage I could use to a dealer unless I was really desparate...you will do better if you are not in a rush to sell..just like anything else..there 60 years of stamp wisdom !!
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Posted 06/05/2010   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add The_Hoff to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Philb for the feedback...I'm not to sure what to do anymore I am rather disappointed in how little I can sell my stamps for. I figured stamp dealers would buy stamps at their Scott value or a little less, but not face value.
-Ryan
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Posted 06/05/2010   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hoff, I wish they would...i would have plenty of dinero to buy the stamps I need !!
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Posted 06/05/2010   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to have been involved in bursting your bubble, Ryan.

It's kind of like MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) in the sense that few people actually come close to paying that price. The great majority of stamps are sold heavily discounted from Scott.

The great value of the Scott catalog is in organizing your stamps and seeing what else you might be missing. The catalog values are useful for knowing which stamps might be more valuable, but the actual catalog value listed should be taken with a grain of salt.

A better indicator of actual value (as opposed to "retail" value), is the wholesale value of the stamps, or to learn ahead of time the dealer buy prices.

Philb does a good job explaining the need for a comfortable profit margin. As we have both mentioned, if you sell in bulk to any dealer, you will likely get a below face value offer. The face value would be the actual face value on the stamp, not converted to present value dollars.

Dealer buy prices for fully intact common mint sheets usually runs from 70%-85% of face value, depending on the size of the lot and how much a dealer needs postage or additions to their inventory. If you intend to sell your panes to a dealer, I would pull the items with a noticeable premium, and sell those as a separate lot to another dealer. A handful of premium items in a large lot of sheets will usually not increase a dealer's buy offer. But a lot of sheets consisting only of premium items is much more likely to get you a face value or higher dealer buy offer.
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Edited by khj - 06/05/2010 7:26 pm
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Posted 06/05/2010   8:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Philb and khj together do such a great job describing how things work that there is hardly anything left for me to ramble on about.

First, welcome The_Hoff.

The stamp buy and sell business is just like any other business when you get down to the nitty griitty. If you can expect to sell for a certain amount then in order to make money and have fun along the way you must be smart and buy for less than you would sell for plus a bit to cover your time and supplies and coffee and donuts etc.

Scott and other catalogues give you a rough relative value compared to other stamps. Many people think that the value in Scott or others is what a stamp (any copy of it) is worth. Nope. The catalog values are what you should expect to roughly pay for a really nice copy of that stamp, buying them one at a time, from a dealer that needs to cover his costs to keep the roof over his head.

Scott is not a black book kind of thing for stamps. The human mind gets carried along in it's wants and desires and I know when I first started looking at catalogues I thought, boy this will be great, look at all the money I can make here. Oops.

First you have to buy the stamps (or inherit them as many do), then you have to spend lots of time sorting through them, checking them in catalogues (if you are not familiar with stamps), valuing them, finding people to sell to, dealers, collectors, ebay, etc, doing it all over again and again and you had better like this or you won't have fun.

Depending on a lot of factors: the economy, the supply and demand of a particular stamp, the desire of collectors in countries with high gross national products to collect that particular country or topic or quantity, the actual condition of the stamp, how it is presented to the buyer, your salesmanship skills, the seeming scarcity of a stamp and probably more factors, you will arrive at a price that that stamp or stamps can be sold for.

Example: You have a sheet of Marilyn Monroe stamps, mint (with gum as issued, seeming fresh from the Post office). Good topic. Lots of people like Marilyn or the image of her or the spirit in the idea. So, you have some collectors who would want one in their collection. Not all. Some maybe would want to collect the sheet. Not all. Among those collectors are some who don't have the budget this month or year, some who have other pressing obligations, some who are interested in another subject or acquisition right now, etc.

Among those left, who see you selling this item, or among the dealers that see more collectors than you would ever want to see probably, there are some who are better at getting stuff for cheap, others who are more or less fair and the rare one who wants to wallpaper his room with the things and will pay any price almost.

So, you might sell one or two for $1 each, less your overhead costs to people who just love it and have to have it. Maybe. More likely you can use it for postage or sell it for 75% of the value on the face of the stamp. If it's old, that doesn't matter. If it's scarce or in demand , that matters.

Stamps do not have an intrinsic value like money does, for example. You 'buy' a one dollar bill at the bank for $1. Ten years later you sell it for at least $1 and perhaps more. A dollar is mostly always worth a dollar.

Stamps are totally valued on demand and the buyers perception of their value. The catalogues are there to help the dealers and the collectors. They are a sorting out tool but also a selling and buying tool. Not really a guide, a tool. A difference.

Stamps are sold by governments to show that a service has been paid for before hand when they are affixed to a piece of mail. The service of handling and delivering the mail. You are paying for the service, not the actual physical value of the stamp. But because stamps are nice and sometimes pretty and also appeal to the collector is some of us (and the would be investor (!?) whether he be well informed or not) they have a market.

Stamps buying and selling and collecting can be a fun hobby and business. There are a lot of nice people involved in stamps.

Do some research (well, you are already by being here), perhaps go to a stamp store or stamp show or bourse, look on ebay or Delcampe or Wensy or BidStart (all dot com) and see what things are selling for. Not what prices are asked, but look at the completed listings or finished sales and see what actually sold. Not everything sells all the time. More stamps are sold in the fall and winter usually. Stamp season.

Depends on what you're up for, getting rid of the things, learning and studying and then selling slowly, dealing with people, selling, storing, sorting, cataloging, guessing at a sale price that will move the stuff etc etc.

I have rambled on long enough I feel. One last bit, I have figured out by magical means and consulting the bird that flew by to the East and divine intervention no doubt that to sell a stamp or to get people interested in buying, if they know the stated catalog value or have a rough guess at it, then you must price the thing at no more than 22.5% of the cat. value to start with. The higher you price it the longer it will take to sell.

edit: typos and spellings.
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Edited by Puzzler - 06/05/2010 8:48 pm
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Posted 06/05/2010   10:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i think we did our job ! I have been collecting since I was 9 years old and still only know a minute fraction about the hobby...i am amazed when I see young guys become stamp dealers...i wonder how they could have learned so much so quickly..theres only so many hours in day ! cheers ! phil
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Posted 06/05/2010   11:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Phil, I did not mean to step on toes or to say anything bad. I do think that you and khj do a fine job.

I meandered off the beaten path and get lost in speculations. I talk more than do at times.

Just my observations from a beginners viewpoint is all. Thee are reams and reams of material and knowledge I have yet to realize I do not know.

As always, thanks for the opportunity to be here and participate and hopefully learn what I am capable of learning.
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Posted 06/06/2010   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler..please..i was including all of us...i certainly have nothing against any of your posts..i guess posts can be mis interpreted sometimes....off to a friends Silver Wedding Anniversary ..its his fourth try..meself I think ONCE is enough..right Jopie ?????
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Posted 06/06/2010   12:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add The_Hoff to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all so much I am really glad I joined this forum because I am learning a lot. Thanks for all the feedback.
-Ryan
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Posted 06/06/2010   2:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cgrotha to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Simple reality check. Current local retail price for modern US material, in general, is 85% of face value. Sorry. You may some premium above that in sheet stock but it is doubtful you can get more then face value at this point. But, remember, your stamps are worth what a buyer is willing to pay. Good luck.
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Posted 06/06/2010   6:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i know for a fact people can make money on a stamp collection..i also know a custodian at the elementary school who won a million dollars on a 20 dollar lottery ticket..so I would not plan on it..nowadays I collect for fun..i can spend as little or as much as I want..as long as its FUN FUN FUN !
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Posted 06/10/2010   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hoff,
Welcome and I'm glad you are learning a bit about this great hobby. Once you get your 50 posts under your belt, feel free to post some items you would like to buy/sell/trade. I personally don't look at stamp collecting as a lucrative investment. It is more of a way to pass time, get away from life stress, and sheer enjoyment. Plus I learn something each time I work with my stamps, covers, and postcards.

I would be willing to purchase the Greetings From and Bicentennial Flags from you at face value. The reason for this is because I will be using them for postage to obtain special event pictorial postmarks for my Springpatch Local Post and other postmark projects I have that include towns along Route 66 plus other blue highways and scenic byways. Oh, and there is always my Abraham Lincoln collection.
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Posted 06/11/2010   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Donna Merkle to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler,
You've just given the best definition of stamp collecting and all the little ins and out of stamp collecting, that I have ever run across. That was perfect and clear cut. Most of it I knew, but you little post was really good for anyone that needed a refresher course or for the beginner.
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