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Posted 07/08/2010   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bfranton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just for fun - Advertising and a tool I found today.

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Posted 07/08/2010   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
bridger and kay cancellation guage





Cancellation Gauge
In the last issue, mention was made of a Thirkell gauge used for
positioning flaws on stamps.
Another gauge I recently acquired at a Society auction was a "B and
K Cancellation Gauge" incorporating a perforation and mm gauge.

The description on the gauge states that; "This gauge has been
designed with two purposes in mind.
1. To measure the diameter of a full or part of a circular cancellation.
2. To give an easy form of reference for the letters or figures in a
cancellation, thus enabling material (postmarks) to be compared by
correspondence."
The gauge was evidently designed by Bridger and Kay Ltd, 86
Strand, London . The price on the protective cover was 7/6d, hence it
may be some years ago that this particular item was produced. Its
availability at this time is uncertain.
The instructions for the use of the gauge are as follows: "In use the
two thick lines are placed so that their intersection is over the
cancellation to be measured, the concentric circles being used as a
guide. It will be noted that the two sets of circles have different
diameters in order to simplify this operation.
The gauge consists of two sets each of five concentric circles. These
circles are each of such a radius so as to allow an exact number of
mm in each circumference and an exact number of mm in each of the
16 equal sections of the circumference, which are lettered A to P.
(The diameters of the concentric circles are not of great importance
for these circles are only used for guidance. The thick cross lines
being used to read the off diameters.) These thick cross lines of the
gauge are each graduated in mm and half mm measuring from the
centre. (When measuring under and over inked cancellations,
allowances have to be made. In practice it is better to take the
measurements of the diameter, at the centre of the inked line forming
the circumference of the circle.)
Oval cancellations may also be measured but care has to be taken to
find the centre; in measuring oval cancellations, width is given before
neight.
Positional references of letters and figures may be taken from a
cancellation with the aid of check letters placed around the
circumference. Placing the gauge so that the top dead centres of the
cancellation and the gauge coincide, a letter in the circumference
which is for example 2mm along section B, will be given the
reference number 2B. It will be noted that the sections of the
circumference are each graduated in full mm, the height of any letter
around the circumference may be measured by turning the gauge and
using the thick cross lines."
This type of gauge should be of particular interest to postal historians
and postmark collectors. As stated earlier, the original designers were
Bridger and Kay of London. Enquiries for supply should be directed
to that firm. However if that firm no longer exists, I have
experimented and a reasonable facsimile could be produced on
overhead projector cellophane material. The approximate cost of
producing the facsimile would be $2. I would be interested to learn if
this cancellation gauge is still available, and the address if it is, for
the benefit of other philatelists.
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Edited by rod222 - 07/08/2010 5:06 pm
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Posted 07/08/2010   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
both of them are pretty neat.....

edit.. this is NOT a quality post. :)
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Edited by stampvirgin - 07/08/2010 5:11 pm
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Posted 07/08/2010   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

William Ackland Melbourne





Linn's multiguage with zero centre ruler



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Posted 07/08/2010   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice gauges guys. It's nice when you find an oldie in a box lot or old collection. Rod, 1st time I've seen a cancellation gauge. Very interesting. The tools (or toys :) ) of the trade as about as fun as the actual stamps and covers sometimes.
Will
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Posted 07/08/2010   8:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rodney, Bridger & Kay are still very much in business, at www.bridgerkay.com

You reminded me that I hadn't checked their Web site for a while. Having done so, I've just blown the housekeeping for the week, and the cat will have to fend for herself for a few days.
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Posted 07/08/2010   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Watdidjabuy? Watdidjabuy?
I guess if you forsook the feline,
the price must have been embarrassing,
probably the GDP of a micronation.

I remind one and all Londonbus posed with bridger and kay
at his London2010 exhibition stall this year.
There are some brag pics on theis NG

IIRC the most expensive stamp I have bought for my albums is $15

I know of a member here who's collection is limited to a ceiling height of 20c.
Stamp collecting is for all!

AFAIK no other hobby could support that parameter.


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Posted 07/08/2010   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sharksfan11 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe this would be a great time for someone to show how the perf gauge is used. I think there might be some beginners who don't know how to use one and don't realize how important one is.
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Posted 07/09/2010   12:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Watdidjabuy? Watdidjabuy?
I guess if you forsook the feline,
the price must have been embarrassing,
probably the GDP of a micronation.

I remind one and all Londonbus posed with bridger and kay
at his London2010 exhibition stall this year.
There are some brag pics on theis NG

IIRC the most expensive stamp I have bought for my albums is $15

I know of a member here who's collection is limited to a ceiling height of 20c.
Stamp collecting is for all!

AFAIK no other hobby could support that parameter.



I picked up a Bhopal and a Cochin, to fill in two of the gaps in my George V/VI era collections of those States. Not as death-defying as some of my purchases (I have gone up just to five figures in $As for a Barwani item) but well over $15. Once you start to specialize, you rapidly find you can no longer afford the luxury of a budget or cut-off figure for the collection
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Posted 07/09/2010   12:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Maybe this would be a great time for someone to show how the perf gauge is used. I think there might be some beginners who don't know how to use one and don't realize how important one is.


A good point. I'm not enough of a graphics whiz to do a graphic explanation, but if a written description will suffice:

It really is simplicity itself. A perforation gauge measures the number of holes in 20 mm of stamp. Of course, you could do this yourself, if you're young, have keen eyesight and the patience of Job. But a perf gauge simplifies the whole thing enormously.

If you're using a cardboard or opaque plastic gauge, place the top of the stamp on the gauge, and slide the stamp up or down the gauge until the dots or lines on the gauge either (a) fall in the centre of the perforations, or (b) fall in the centres of the tips of the perforations. (Either is OK, and will produce the same result, but duels have been fought, and lifelong friendships broken, over whether approach (a) or (b) is the right one.)

If you're using a clear plastic gauge - I use a Gibbons Instanta



- you can place the gauge over the stamp, rather than vice versa. This is useful if the stamp is in an album or on paper. You can also measure the perforations to decimal places. This will probably only be important if you're a specialist, and if you are, you'll probably already have a clear perforation gauge.

Why bother? Well this Indore stamp, the 1 Anna of 1927-37, SG 18



is described in the catalogue as 'perf 13 to 14'. In fact, five different machines, gauging from 13.2 to 14.2, were used to perforate the set this stamp comes from. This 1 Anna was reported to have been perforated with three of the machines (gauging 13.6, 13.8 and 14.2), but I can now confirm that it was also perforated with the 13.9 machine. Not earth-shattering, and of mild interest to Indore specialists at best . But my discovery, made possible by using the clear plastic gauge.
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Posted 07/09/2010   05:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 07/09/2010   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating topic and gauges.
Very nice article and colour commentary by Tony!
Thanks!


A cheaper and thinner plastic version of the Stanley Gibbons gauge by Uni-Safe, but works just fine.


One to use with the smaller simulated perf die-cuts of the modern Canada flower and Olympic coils:

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Posted 07/09/2010   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
someone hook me up with a uni-safe... The one I have is made of metal Hygrade Brand

as in where can I buy one?
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I'm sure I'll need a plastic one too at least for the decimal perfs. I have two metal gauges. A Correcto Gauge for on cover and a Barnard's Herringbone with the Rotary/Flat Press gauage.
Will
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I got mine from Miller Lake Trading Co, ebay user ID millerlaketc.

Link to one on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Uni-Safe-Perfec...em3ca87d634f
$2.95 USD plus shipping
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Above link is for the Uni-Safe Perfect gauge as shown.

This link below is for info on how to order the lower die-cut perf gauge:
http://www.adminware.ca/esg/perfgauge.htm
That gauge is only on very thin plastic, printed on a laser printer I believe, but works just dandy.
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