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Posted 08/03/2010   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Edwin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

my name is Ed I'm a New stamp collector like the last guy who inherited a collection passed by grandfather, to father, to me. However I plan on continuing the tradition as I enjoy the quiet time it provides and don't plan on selling any part that I feel make the collection strong and/or FUN!

That being said I have a million questions that new guys ask and don't know who to ask, I've been trying to search here first before spouting off however my first one being STAMP HINGES... I noticed the old thread on this but got no replys.

I thought I did some good research and bought SuperSafe, what is the forum view on the Supersafe brand of hinges? to me they seem to be super sticky, I didn't know hinges have changed and you cant transfer like when I sat next to my dad 30 years ago, I was planning on moving the 300+ stamps I just did now I realized that they may not be moving.

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Posted 08/03/2010   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sfgoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Ed and welcome to the forum.It's good to hear that you plan on keeping your collection.Stamp collecting can be addictive, fun, and educational.

I can't help you about your stamp hinge question because I use mounts on all my stamps.

You can ask any question you may have here and someone will be along to answer it.




Butch
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Posted 08/03/2010   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Butch for the welcome,

wow you use mounts on everything? how expensive is that and where do you get them in bulk? that would look super sharp in my Scott's International albums but I'm afraid of the costs involved. espically since most of my current stock are floated stamps from the early 1900's thus they are not mint, nor do they usally have gum.

Ed
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Posted 08/03/2010   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Edwin.

I'll see if I can track down the last thread on hinges. It listed some different ones and results from some of our members. I use Unitrade because that's what's available here in Canada. They work just fine.

Hope you find your answer soon.

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Posted 08/03/2010   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Stamp Community Forum, and a great hobby, Ed!

If you use hinges, it would probably be wise to only use them for used stamps.

The last reliably peelable hinges were made by Dennison (not Dennisen). Alas, they are no longer made, and remaining stocks are not cheap. I often leave the Dennison hinges on the stamp when I remove them from other collections and rehinge it into my albums.

I have also heard well of Unitrade hinges, although I have never used them. Some of the German manufactured hinges are also fairly decent, but they change around so much, it's hard to say who actually makes which hinge any more.

The Dennis's hinges (meant to be a resurrection of the Dennison hinges) unfortunately turned out to be a bust because of quality control issues. Some of the earliest packages were actually pretty good, but after that it was a hit/miss kind of thing (almost totally misses aftewards). Don't waste your money on those unless it's from one of the first production runs.

Some of you may know, I've been experimenting with Scotch 811 removable tape. So far, the results have been pretty good. We'll know in a few decades...

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Posted 08/03/2010   3:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Khj, How long have you been 'experimenting' with the Scotch 811 ? How expensive is it? How is it sold? Who sells it? I think I read your post on this a long time ago and was fascinated by the concept. 3M is the adhesive company in my mind (what little there is of it).
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Posted 08/03/2010   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobgggg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Some of you may know, I've been experimenting with Scotch 811 removable tape. So far, the results have been pretty good. We'll know in a few decades...


Kim:...The tape is great for MNH. in fact I have seen the tape used in circuits..... However..be careful using the tape on used stamps..for some reason the tape has a tendency to tear stamps whose backing has no gum
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Posted 08/03/2010   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobgggg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Edwin...Welcome aboard.... Prinz is a good inexpensive German hinge, which you can pick up at any hobby store, or online
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Posted 08/03/2010   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Edwin!

I am using Lindner hinges, and I am not very impressed with them. They are quite sensitive to humidity and stick very hard to used stamps. Still, they are cheap and quicker to use than mounts. I do use mounts on my best used and all my mint stamps for protection.
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Posted 08/03/2010   4:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bobgggg !

I was thinking of using 811 on my used stamps. I will hold off for now.

Sounds like Prinz or Unitrade perhaps.

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Posted 08/03/2010   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been using it more regularly for my used stamps for about 1 year now, and have completely stopped using hinges now that the Scotch 811 is readily available locally. Yes, it is made by 3M. I'm familiar with the wide range of 3M adhesives from my research days. They are well-researched and they know their product very well. I have a lot of confidence in their research and product development -- otherwise I would never have considered this option.

It's completely removable, and the newer (current) formulation does not leave any detectable residue. The older formulation (from a few years back) did leave a slight residue that could be easily removed by gentle rubbing.

Another collector I know has been using it regularly for a few years, even on mint never hinged stamps, with no problems. I currently use it for mounting used stamps, but have also seen no immediate after-affects from using on mint stamps. However, since gum-formulation varies considerably among nations and over the decades, this application should still be considered absolutely experimental. I will begin selectively using it on a regular basis for some mint never hinged stamps in the near future (i.e., within 10 years ).

The only problems we have run into so far:

1. You have to make your own hinges, by cutting or tearing. My buddy just tears it off a dispenser and sticks/folds it on the stamp on a as-need basis. I've cut my roll into strips mounted on thin strips of cardboard. I then stack ten strips together, and use a paper cutter to cut stacks of peelable hinges, which I then peel off as needed, using the cardboard as a holder to apply/fold the hinge. Once you get the hang of it, it's really not any different/tedious than fumbling with hinges/mounts; maybe even faster, especially if you don't bother making the cardboard hinge applicators like I do.

2. While you can reuse the hinges, I don't recommended doing more than a few times because it will pick up dust particles, fibers, finger oil...

3. I do not recommend using on stamps with fragile/damaged paper (e.g., thins). The removable tape will sometimes pick up some loosely held paper fibers from the thin or damaged part if/when you remove the tape. You can't soak the tape off, like with a hinge. Of course, even a peelable hinge will actually take off a lot more than the removable tape if you peel it instead of soak it.

4. It takes a little time before the 811 hinges will stay "folded", even if you "press" the fold down. So don't be surprised if the stamps seem to say "hello" to you as you flip the pages the first couple of days. It only pops up a little, not enough to worry about the stamp getting creased as you turn the page. And in time, the fold will stay in position (DO NOT press the stamps, simply having the album closed for a week while standing upright is sufficient).

I purchase the Scotch 811 in rolls of 1296inchesx0.75inches., and cut them into hinges about 0.25inches wide. Yeah, I know that's thin, but it's more than good enough for most of those early small size stamps. It's a habit that carried over from my days of continuing to use those now-expensive Dennison's; I would cut the new Dennisons in half to cut my expenses by "50%"

I've forgotten, but I think that size roll costs about $3-$4. After I felt comfortable with a trial roll, I went on and bought a dozen or so rolls and used a coupon from Office Depot, so they ended up costing me about $3 a roll. Originally it was only in certain locations. It's even more widely available now, so you should be able to check any local office supply store (ordering just one roll online is not really economical).

I'm still experimenting, so I'm only into my 2nd roll. My wife has apparently went off with a roll or two, so I guess that would be drawback #5.
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Posted 08/03/2010   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Kim, I will look around up here and see what I can find. I would like to try it and see what I think and see too.
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Posted 08/03/2010   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot, you are in Canada. Last time I was in Canada, I do remembering going to a Staples and also Office Depot. But that was over 10 years ago.
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Posted 08/03/2010   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your insight, I guess I found this place a little late for hinges as I had bought 10,000 of these Super Safe. I'm sure I got the first batch too wet, I'll go barly moist on the next batch and report back.

I found that other thread it also mentioned the Denisons with an "o" as the old timer got to have type.

Ed
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Posted 08/07/2010   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tom H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Edwin, I am new here too and cannot answer your questions but will be following te answers closely.

Cheers and happy collecting.
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Posted 08/07/2010   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Kim:...The tape is great for MNH. in fact I have seen the tape used in circuits..... However..be careful using the tape on used stamps..for some reason the tape has a tendency to tear stamps whose backing has no gum


Sorry Bobgggg, I missed your post! Yes, you are correct about some of the used stamps. I did mention that used stamps that were fragile or damaged (thins, tears...) might have problems. The tape size I use is so itty-bitty, that it has not been a problem for me. If you cut the 811 like a standard hinge size, then yes, I would say you are likely to run into problems on the older stamps or already-damage stamps.
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