US Scott #10 On Cover?

I have a cover dated August 6, 1851. On the cover is the three cent imperf Washington from the 1851 issue.

My question is---With this date, isn't the stamp, by necessity, the orange brown shade? According to Scott Specialized the stamp was issued July 1, 1851. The only fly in the ointment is the number 11 has a brown carmine shade issued in 1851. THe dull red shades are given as issued in 1852, 53, and 54. I am positive that it is not brown carmine.

I have the book from Amos Press which has the Munsell color chips to distinguish the colors of the 3 cent imperf. The stamp sure looks to be orange brown.

According to my Micarelli, the best way to distinguish between 10 & 11 is on the basis of the color. He describes 10 has having "rich and striking orange brown or copper brown color" whereas 11 is "pale and dull in comparison." Additionally he describes the impressions for 10 as being clean and clear, including the double lines on the sides of the triangles etc.

Furthermore, he indicates a date of July 1851 for 10 and that 11 first appeared in October 1851. So, based on the date, you would have a 10.

Would love to see a picture of the cover and a close up of the stamp.

Hope this helps.

-Larry

I was almost positive that the date confirmed it being a 10. Thanks Larry for supplying the exact date of the appearance of #11.

Yea! Of course I am leaving it on cover. It Scotts at $210 (2007) on cover. I bought it back in the 1970's for almost nothing.

Please!!

yeah, pictures please.

Until now I could not post images. I bought a scanner and this is my first attempt.

Here is the 1851 cover.

Now for the problems--it is upside down and I don't know how to add the feature where you can enlarge it. The one with the dashes around the image.

rotated it. What a dummy I am not to have done it in the edit function originally. Sorry

And somehow it corrected it in the original image. go figure. So next time it may not take 4 posts to do this.

Thank you! Very nice.

Nice one Rohumpy,
congrats on the scanner!
The cancellation is unusual, don't recall a barred oblong before.
Typical paper for the period, and is standing up well,
that was beautiful stuff, with lovely script.
Those days they seemed to plonk the stamp anywhere.

I think it looks like one of the football shaped cancels that didn't strike true.
Maybe they didn't use that one then?

rod222 I agree that the cancellation is unusual. At first I was somewhat annoyed with the cancellation, but the more you look at the more it sort of grows on you. I have never in many years of collecting seen another like it.

But the neat thing is that the date of the letter is Aug 6, 1851. That makes it a certainty that the shade is indeed the orange brown.

Barb, I am not sure when the "footprint" as I call them,
cancel shape began.
That mark has a definite point to my way of thinking.

A cancel to store away in the memory bank,
and recasll if another pops up.

Rohumpy,
what is that writing on the left hand edge of the cover?

Is this possible?

Moses Warren - Attorney and Judge in Troy, New York. Member of 1860 Democratic National Convention at Charleston and support Stephen A Douglas for the presidency. At DNC of 1868 in New York.

rod222 the writing says "answered". The letter inside is a request for an appointment and trying to arrange for a suitable time. Nothing to identify the recipient as the Moses Warren you mention. It would seem though, that it would be a big coincidence if this is not the Moses Warren who was the attorney and judge in Troy NY.

I had never thought to research the addressee. Just goes to show what you can find. Thanks.