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Is This Hong Kong A Perfin Or Something Else?

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Rest in Peace
Canada
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Posted 09/24/2010   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Puzzler to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It and others of the series(s) come with and without perforations around the value of the stamp. I am not sure why. A curiousity or a security measure but how?

What would these be called? Perforated Inscriptions? Not Insignia. Maybe Initials? Or something else?

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Posted 09/24/2010   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a security measure for the higher values, but I'm not sure what the correct terminology would be.
Check out the security features in the link below:

http://hongkongpost.com/eng/publica...et/index.htm

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Canada
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Posted 09/24/2010   10:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you 22crows. I was being lazy but also curious as to the proper terminology for it.
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France
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Posted 09/27/2010   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harald to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Puzzler,

I just receive a response. Here it is:

Dear Harald,

It is not a security mark, as the perforated 10 is part of the stamp design.

It is considered a perfin by some collectors.

The $20 and $50 stamps of this series also have their values perforated.

Regards,
rodsell@rodsell.com
http://rodsell.com

Best regards from France,
Harald
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Posted 09/27/2010   02:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Welcome to Stamp Community Forum, Harald!


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I just receive a response. Here it is:

Dear Harald,

It is not a security mark, as the perforated 10 is part of the stamp design.

I do not know who gave you this reply, but I'm afraid I cannot agree with their reply. It is a security feature. Hongkong Post even states so in their news release.


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Security Features

To safeguard security of the new definitive stamps, a number of security features have been adopted:

1. All stamps are printed on paper with multiple security fibres. The public can easily tell the genuineness by looking at the orange and green security fibres on the back of the stamps while the yellow security fibres are visible under UV light.
2. All stamps bear an elliptical perforation on each of the vertical.
3. For high-value definitive stamps, iridescent ink is printed on the denominations to give a shiny effect when the stamp is viewed at different angles. There are also micro-perforations inside the dollar sign and surrounding the denomination, and micro-text of the name of the bird is printed on the respective stamp.


While it is a perforation, it is also considered a security perforation/feature. For example, the elliptical perforation at the sides are also considered a security feature.

Kim
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Posted 09/27/2010   02:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I happen to have the $50 on piece, which is where it's staying. I figure these things may disintegrate! It's a lovely piece though....



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Edited by jubilee - 09/27/2010 02:24 am
Rest in Peace
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Posted 09/27/2010   07:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all.

Harald, welcome, thank you for the link(s) to nice pages of information.

Perhaps by security the rodsell fellow was thinking private security as usually private commercial perfins are.

Do you know about cancellations in France? If you do look at the end (page 17) of the thread / topic Postmark theme, under Topical collecting and see if you know what the T.SABL. is in the ondule cancel.
https://goscf.com/t/7277&whichpage=17
Thank you!

Jubilee,
It is so nice to see a lot of them all together. Thanks for posting that.
When I soaked that one off it was the only survivor of postal mangling on a parcel of kiloware. If I remember it soaked off OK, you just had to be careful handling it. I did not know at the time about micro printing or micro perforating on them. Should have kept the lot on paper as you did. I think they were all $10 ones.
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Rest in Peace
Canada
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Posted 09/27/2010   07:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Harald, your name seems eerily familiar to me, my father was Harland and an Uncle was named Harold. Good things come in threes?
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Posted 09/27/2010   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Hi All

Would it be stupid of me to think that these stamps that are perforated right at the face value was also some kind of method to assist those with impaired vision or for the blind (similar to Braille) ???. I notice too that they are not on all of the stamps in the set but apparently on hte higher values only??

Just a thought really.

Chimo

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Posted 09/27/2010   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I notice too that they are not on all of the stamps in the set but apparently on the higher values only??

That is why it is a security feature.

It is unlikely that it was intended in part to assist the blind. If so, it would actually be in Braille and not a physical outline of digits and a slit for the $ sign. Also, it would be embossed.

And yes, there have been a couple of stamps produced with Braille. I don't have a formal list, but off the top of my head...

Brazil was the first, and they have produced at least 2 issues with Braille. Later (in alphabetical, not chronological order) Australia, Canada, Finland, New Zealand, US... That is not a complete list. I faintly recall someone telling me that Israel also issued a stamp in Braille, but I've never verified nor have I seen it.


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Posted 09/27/2010   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure rod222 will have a scan of braille stamps or at the least some information on them. Where are you rod?
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Posted 09/27/2010   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you can add India, Ireland, Vatican City, to name just a few...last year was the 200th anniversary of Louis Braille's birth, so there were quite a few issues, and I think a number of them had raised dots as part of the design.
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Posted 09/28/2010   03:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't recollect an Australian braille stamp (but maybe I'm just having a Senior's moment here).
Australia Post released a Vision Australia PPE (that's Postage Paid Envelope) in late 2008 for 200 years of Louis Braille. That had his name in braille on the front of the envelope.
(ASB no.295, N/D 2008, p.18 - if Rodney would like to show it.)
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Posted 09/28/2010   04:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I can't recollect an Australian braille stamp.

I should clarify my inclusion of Australia. The Braille wasn't actually on the postage stamp, but in the gutter between the stamps.

Issued July 13, 1995.

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Posted 09/28/2010   04:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod might be busy, so I will upload what I believe is the first Braille postage stamp issued by Brazil on August 7, 1974. Below that is another Braille stamp issued by Brazil on November 20, 1979.





These are pilfered pics, of course!

k
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Australia
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Posted 09/28/2010   05:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Well, now we have hijacked Puzzler's thread on Perfins

Firstly, khj that is the first time I have seen Braille in
the gutter of Aussie, a first for me.
Those other two minisheets are firsts also, prime targets for my purloining.

Here is another dedicated page from the late Mette Heindorff,
who did such marvelous work , a few images missing.

http://heindorffhus.motivsamler.dk/...raille01.htm

Now I'll go look for 22 crows Pre Paid Envelope
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