Deeper Into The Unknown...

I think I am reaching the end of the old and unknown stamps, at least for a while until my dad sends over the last album of old hinged stamps that is still with him. Anyway here goes:

Stamp #1 - Looks like some sort of Arabic overprint. Can't figure out which country?
Stamp #2 - I think it is a Greek overprint?
Stamp #3 - Looks like some sort of Belgian tax stamp from the early 1900s?
Stamp #4 & #5 - They look like they are from the same country. Possibly some eastern bloc country?
Stamp #6 - It kind of looks Italian, but all Italian stamps I have seen say Italy on them so I am not sure?
Stamp #7 - Portuguese?
Stamp #8 - Albanian overprint?
Stamp #9 - German overprint?
Stamp #10 - German?
Stamp #11 - A tiny stamp. Looks Arabic of sorts, but I haven't got a clue???
Stamp #12 - Some sort of German/Indian overprint?
Stamp #13 - I haven't a clue!?!?!?
Stamp #14 - It's too faded and hard to make out. Looks like a cancel from 1884. The design has a horn at the bottom. Could it be Belgian?
Stamp #15 - The cancel is so heavy and the stamp is so old I can't makeup anything on it except the cancel date which looks like 1876???
Stamp #16 - GB?

Stamp #1 - Turkey
Stamp #2 - Yes, Greece
Stamp #3 - Yes, Belgian revenue.
Stamp #4 & #5 - Yes, both unissued Ukraine
Stamp #6 - Yes, Italian revenue.
Stamp #7 - Mozambique
Stamp #8 - Yes, Albania.
Stamp #9 - Württemberg
Stamp #10 - Yes, Germany
Stamp #11 - I'd guess Spanish revenue for medical prescription or similar
Stamp #12 - Dutch East Indies
Stamp #13 - Great Britain
Stamp #14 - Germany
Stamp #15 - Sweden
Stamp #16 - Yes, Great Britain

1. Turkey with overprint.
2. Greek postage due with overprint
3. Belgium - not in Scott's
4. Ukraine
5. Ukraine (trident is the giveaway)
6. Italian revenue
7. Mozambique when it was a Portuguese colony
8. Albania
9. Wurttemberg...look in the front of Germany under German states
10. Germany
11. Spain - revenue/Pharmacy?
12. Netherlands Indies - official?
13. Great Britian Postage Due
14. Germany
15. Sweden
16. Great Britain
all done without catalog at hand so correct me if needed.

Beaten by 2 minutes!

At least we agreed!

Right on. You guys are great and fast!

In the meantime, I'll start digging in Scotts to see what I can find. If anyone knows Scott numbers for any of them kindly chime in.

I missed most of the action. That's what I get for eating lunch!

You can compare your results with mine...

#1 -- Turkey 548A
#2 -- Greece RA56
#3 -- Belgian revenue, not Scott listed
#4-5 -- Ukraine, Scott mentioned but not listed
#6 -- Italian revenue, not Scott listed
#7 -- Mozambique 150
#8 -- Albania 200
#9 -- Wurttemberg O155
#10 -- Germany 348
#11 -- unknown revenue/cinderalla, not Scott listed
#12 -- Netherlands Indies O7
#13 -- Great Britain J37/42/50/60/70/74 (you do final ID)
#14 -- Germany 38
#15 -- Sweden 22/32 (you do final ID)
#16 -- Great Britain 111

And here are the SG numbers as far as I can tell:

Stamp #1 - Turkey SG 924 (1918)
Stamp #2 - Greece SG C498 (1937)
Stamp #3 - Belgian revenue, Barefoot 51 (1925)
Stamp #4 & #5 - Unissued Ukraine (1920)
Stamp #6 - Italian revenue.
Stamp #7 - Mozambique SG 198 (1914)
Stamp #8 - Albania SG 214 (1927)
Stamp #9 - Württemberg SG O237 (1919)
Stamp #10 - Germany SG 285 (1925)
Stamp #11 - I'd guess Spanish revenue for medical prescription or similar
Stamp #12 - Dutch East Indies SG O191 (1911)
Stamp #13 - Great Britain, probably SG D71 (1968)
Stamp #14 - Germany SG 40 (1880)
Stamp #15 - Sweden SG 21 (1872) or similar
Stamp #16 - Great Britain SG 197 (1887)

That Spanish Pharmaceutical is a ripper!
I have read a story about it years ago,
but unable to find the clipping in my database.

You have some very nice interesting stamps Marc,
and some nice SOTN "socked on the nose"

Only one complaint
your stamp images are always cut off at the bottom.

You guys are great. Kim - A couple more questions please:

1 - Why aren't those Ukraine stamps carried in Scott? Are they some sort of special variety?
2 - Are Italy revenue stamps listed somewhere? Do you think it is worth much?
3 - I found Wurttemberg in Scott, but not that stamp and there doesn't seem to be a Scott O155?
4 - Any idea what that Belgian revenue stamp might be worth?

Surprisingly that Dutch East Indies stamp is worth a few bucks!

Thanks Rodney for the additional on the Spanish Pharmaceutical stamp. Send me your postal address and its yours.

The stamps are not actually cut at the bottom when I scan them, but I put them into a Subway dealer card to keep them straight for scanning in a row and at the bottom you are seeing the edge of the white border of the card. So the teeth are there in the scans usually. They are just overlapping into the white area of the card.

I have very little info on these, yet they are ubiquitous
As Nigel suggested unissued, so therefore Cinderellas
IIRC I would have about 5 full sets, they pop up everywhere
(and get passed on :)

I cannot recall these in the Richard C Witt cinderella collection either.



Thanks for the offer,
feel free to change you mind, I wasn't hinting
just appreciating.

There is a footnote in the Ukraine section in the Scott catalog that explains it. The set of 14 denominations were never officially issued, which is why you pretty much always see them mint. They exist both perforate and imperforate. They are commonly found in bulk lots of stamps. I can't tell you how many sets I've accumulated over the years. Some dealers like to use them as "lot fillers" to boost the stamp count. Scott editorial policy is that they do not list stamps that were never officially issued. Then again, board members can probably find few hundred "never officially issued" stamps that ARE listed in the Scott catalog. Typical Scott inconsistency.



I'll leave that to the catalog collectors and revenue collectors. I don't remember the names of the catalogs. I know Nigel has a bunch of the catalogs.



You may be looking in the wrong Wurttemberg section. There are two of them in Scott volume 3. Do NOT look in the Occupation Stamps section between West Germany and East Germany. You have to look in the German States section BEFORE Germany. If you still cannot find it, post again and I will look up the page number in my 2009 catalog (I think that's the year that you have access to, right?).

The Ukrainian stamps were officially authorized by the government; it's just that they were never officially released. I know that not everybody has the same definition for cinderella (here we go again...), so I'll let each one of you decide yourself whether or not it is a cinderella.

Although not listed in Scott, it IS listed in one of the other major catalogs. I don't remember which one -- possibly Michel?

Barefoot priced Belgium Revenue #51 at his minimum price (10p) in the 2007 Benelux Revnuees catalogue.

I still smile, every time I see his name -- as I wiggle my toes.

k

I've always liked this set - it's full of Ukrainian national symbols and historical figures.

Kim is correct. These stamps were prepared by the Ukrainian government in December 1920 but not issued. They are listed as mint only in Michel and in my old catalogue they're all at the minimum price.

There are 14 in the complete set - the other two are a 1hr grey trident and 15hr red-brown picture of Ivan Mazepa (Cossack leader around the start of the 18th century, who according to legend was tied to wild horse in punishment after an affair).

The other four historical figures on the stamps are:

10hr Bohdan Khmelnytsky (17th century Cossack leader)
20hr Taras Shevchenko (19th century Ukrainian poet)
30hr Pavlo Polubotok (18th century Cossack leader)
40hr Simon Petlyura (Head of the Ukrainian government 1919-1921)

The currency is the Ukrainian hryvnia - the same name as Ukraine's currency today. Many catalogues use the abbreviation "gr" but the letter that has a "g" sound in Russian has an "h" sound in Ukrainian.