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Switzerland 1949 Grimsel Reservoir Type I And II Identify

 
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Posted 11/21/2010   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add AnthonyUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I see from Scotts that there are two varieties of the 20c from this series.

I have a couple which I'd like a more experienced eye to look over.





Apart from the obvious colour difference are these one of each type?

Thanks in advance.
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Posted 11/21/2010   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anthony,

I am not convinced that the stamp you've identified as Type 1, is in fact Type 1.

Scott indicates that the criterion for Type 1, is that there are three line that pass above the rock.

My reading of the Zumstein catalog, which I would consider more authoritative here, states that there needs to be 2 "durchgehende Linien", or solid lines. The stamp which you've identified as being Type 1 seems to have broken lines to me. The thrid line shoudl be solid and unbroken.

In addition to the line test, there is another criterion in Zumstein for a Type 1, that is that type 1 does NOT have diagonal lines in the background area between the 0 in 20 and the edge of the dam. In Type II, there are diagonal lines with approximately the same slope as the edge of the dam in that area between the zero and the dam's edge. Both your stamps seem, to my eyes, to have those diagonal lines, hence my reaction that neither is Type .

This is what my eyes are seeing but perhaps others might see it otherwise.

-Larry
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Posted 11/21/2010   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David King to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also think that they are both Type 2.

Stanley Gibbons describes Type 2 as having "(a) Two clear horizontal lines instead of three between shore and top of rocks." (ie as Larry says in Zumstein), and also "(b) Horizontal line inserted to mark base of building. (c) Cross-hatching extended above '20H'" - and both of your examples have these.

So sorry, Anthony, it's not the valuable Type 1.

Interesting shade difference . . not mentioned in SG, which just says "maroon".

And isn't this whole series a wonderful example of quality engraving?
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Posted 11/21/2010   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. I was leaning that way myself.
The set is lovely though I agree.
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Posted 11/21/2010   4:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. Its a really beautiful series and I particularly like the 70c issue.

If you're interested in this series which shows the landscape and engineering wonders of Switzerland, take a look at this archive of an exhibit: http://www.swiss-stamps.us/Exhibits...001.001.html
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Posted 11/21/2010   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have just found an envelope with most of this set. Just missing - 25, 35 and 70.
There are a few overprints from this set too.

From the link above (many thanks ldhaber) the 3c is almost as rare as the 20c type I.






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Edited by AnthonyUK - 11/22/2010 08:30 am
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Posted 03/15/2015   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Over 4 years later but I think I have found a type I.

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Posted 03/23/2015   03:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add priatel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! It's one of the non retushed stamp.
Unfortunately, it is cancelled ( It Worth 4500 CHF if **)
For information, the values from Michel catalogue ( which are more realistic than Zumstein- because of the variation of the CHF)
Cancelled: 85 €
New ** : 4200 €

Good luck for finding a new one !
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Edited by priatel - 03/23/2015 04:07 am
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Posted 01/15/2018   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even though this topic started 8 years ago (!) it's proved very useful as I just found 20 of these stamps and it was easy to see they were only the Type 1 :)
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Posted 01/15/2018   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Type II not I !
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Posted 02/24/2018   10:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add amccleaf1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Eiger, I agree...a very useful thread. I am finally getting around to my accumulation of Switzerland and am going through these with a microscope. No luck so far on the Type I, but beautiful engraving. With a microscope, you can see the thicker parts of the ink shine.
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Posted 01/30/2021   07:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JohnnyStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ive found a new collection I think it is the type 1 new stamp.


3 years later....
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Posted 01/30/2021   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roberto59 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello.
There are really three types.
Regards.

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Posted 11/10/2024   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add popeye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all

I have three of the Grimsel reservoir stamps. Based on the tread below all three appear to be the more common type 2 stamps. However my eye is not yet refined enough to be sure. What do you think?

I got into reviewing my stamps to make some money but I have begun to enjoy learning the history etc behind these and my other stamps. No money but learning a lot.


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Posted 11/10/2024   8:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the house baseline:

At left (your stamps) there is a thick line along the entire base (common stamp)
At right, the base is not a continuous line ("Urtype" - uncommon)
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