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1913 Chinese Revenue Stamp With Mysterious Overprint

 
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Posted 01/02/2011   12:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jimjamtwo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm a big fan of the 1913 series of Chinese revenue stamps depicting the Great Wall. Not only is it a great design, the stamps come in a wide variety of shades and usually carry fascinating overprints. More by accident than design, I have ended up owning five of them. Unfortunately, they're not listed in my Gibbons China catalogue and so I have no idea what they are or what they're worth.

The one pictured below is to me the most interesting of the bunch. In addition to Chinese inscriptions, the overprint contains - in a font I've never seen before - an English word ('Issued') and some very interesting squiggles that could conceivably be someone's initials but probably aren't. I'd love to know what it is. Can anyone help?



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Posted 01/02/2011   01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first two lines of the Chinese overprint read 'Ministry of Finance/Canton Office', but I can't make out the whole of the third line. It's probably too much to hope that it would solve the mystery of the English squiggle, but if you could post a good scan of the third line, you never know your luck.
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Posted 01/02/2011   01:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 01/02/2011   01:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I should have been more explicit. It's the far left line that I can't make out all of. A couple of characters are quite readable, but a couple aren't, and I can't make sense of what I can read.
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Posted 01/02/2011   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tonymacg, I'm impressed you can read it at all!

This is the line you asked for:



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Posted 01/02/2011   02:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After all that build-up, I'm sorry to have to disappoint. That last line appears to be a '(something)-ho (or 'River') Branch'. Doesn't shed any light that I can see on the initials under 'Issued'.

Assuming that they are initials, and that there are three of them, they could well be those of a Chinese name. What that name might be is anyone's guess, I'm afraid. Trying to run down the name of a Finance Ministry Official in some branch in Canton a century or so ago ...
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Posted 01/02/2011   03:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's striking that the writing is in English, though.

On an official Chinese overprint!

I haven't seen anything like this before. There has to be a very interesting story behind it.
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Posted 01/02/2011   07:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As the stamp is overprinted for Canton, I'd suspect a Hong Kong connection. Perhaps one of the great trading companies like Jardine Mathieson, or perhaps the Hong Kong & Shanghai Bank. The 'Issued + initials' might be an internal security control of some sort. Pure guesses, of course!
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Posted 01/02/2011   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
tonymacg, here are three others with Chinese overprints. If you're able to read them for me I'd greatly appreciate it.







My only other 1913 revenue is a 50c without overprint.
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Posted 01/02/2011   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not wanting to put you off or anything

If this great wall belongs to the 1913 overprint set
(which I think it does)

There may be over 20,000 different overprints

Time to get collecting

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Posted 01/02/2011   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm afraid I can't give you a complete answer, jimjamtwo, but such as I can, here it is:

Stamp 1: Overprinted 'Chihli' - the old name name for Hopei/Hebei Province, which used to include Peking/Beijing
Stamp 2: Chihli again, with an additional overprint below, in which I can't make out the first (right-hand) character
Stamp 3: Right-hand side: 'Stamp Duty'; centre: Republican Government Ministry of Finance; left hand side: 'Humei' branch. I'm not sure where this is, but the 'Hu' might refer to Hupei (Hubei) or Hunan Province.
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Posted 01/02/2011   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, tonymacg!

rod222, I won't be collecting any more. I'm getting out of Chinese stamps and concentrating my collecting mainly on Europe. Most of my Chinese stamps are ending up on ebay, unless perhaps someone here expresses interest first.

However, I think I'll hold on to the one with the English inscription, as it seems rather too special to jettison.

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Posted 01/02/2011   10:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You should do well then JimJam,
Chinese stamps are in demand currently.

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Posted 01/03/2011   02:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ross222, the boom in Chinese stamps is definitely not over yet, so I'm doing quite well.

I'd encourage anyone just learning about stamps to start with Chinese stamps because if ever you decide to sell them you have a very high expectation of getting your money back or even making a modest profit.
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